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to be honest, what fascinates me is that microsoft seems to have invested a lot of work the past few years to bring forward a pretty decent line up of integrate

to be honest, what fascinates me is that microsoft seems to have invested a lot of work the past few years to bring forward a pretty decent line up of integrated products. if you want windows and office like you had, that's fine. and much of the windows 8 UI disaster was actually made up by the press to have a great story, even that one video with the guy's dad. i was shocked when i saw that. then i installed windows and while setting up my account, it actually taught me about the new things pretty well. there's room for improvement for sure, but compared to apple, they do not only need to come up with a reasonable set of visible features (yes, this is how the masses work, not us here), but also make these mostly visual features feasible for business and consumers. people tend to forget that talking about 'business' does not mean a brooklyn hipster photography shop, or a startup (although there are just as many employees there) - it means a small shop in india, a global giant like boeing or a government system in germany (munich switched back). and, in all that chaos, they need to present a clear thread from the mobile sales guy to enterprise software, from consumer home to consumer mobile. apple is basically focusing on getting the story at home right. now they have the luxury of adding to that, which they become less and less effective at. the iphone was fantastic, and my home is now equipped fully with apple. but it sucks that this is where the story ends, at least for now (i'm sure they've figured this out already). i'd love to see microsoft getting a bit more love, honestly. all these guys working hard, being the 'bad guy' since the 80's and everyone forgetting that there's a reason they're still in business, were never close to being shut down and very rarely every fire more than a few people. when they do, it's even in the news (last firing spree iirc was 2000 employees, 3 years ago or so, with +100k staff). very sad that the 'press' still finds it lovely to tell us all how much microsoft really sucks. i love visual studio, i love c#, i love my iphone but man the windows phone 8 is so smooth and great to use, i love the macbook it beats any other notebook, but I also love windows 8 and the freshness of it. what a drama world.

mittermayr 14y ago
and to summarize what I wanted to say: microsoft should finally split up into two separate entities. a microsoft for business solutions. and a complete separate brand (yes, new name, new logo, new location) that caters to consumers. bridging these is probably easier, than to apply business marketing to a consumer, and consumer marketing to large businesses. if they focused just on business, many of the hater blogs would not even remotely talk about it - and the industry relevant magazines would be as they are, acknowledge the good things, highlight the improvements.
- jiggy2011 14y ago
  That would probably be the kiss of death to MS as we know it. The big plus for using MS for business is that your users are probably reasonably familiar with it at home. And the reason they buy them at home is that they already use them at work.
btipling 14y ago
I imagine, since you say you love C# are you a .Net programmer? Others have pointed out that .Net programmers are Microsoft's biggest cheerleaders these days and have a conflict of interest in speaking about Microsoft's future since maybe they have staked their career on .NET.
- jfb 14y ago
  It's hardly a conflict of interest to cheer for your preferred technology on an Internet bulletin board.
- zanny 14y ago
  Personally, if I wanted an interpreted language with bytecode, I much prefer C#. Much nicer language than Java. But the windows tools suck in my book (VS is slow as hell, their compilers are arcane, etc) and I much prefer Mono. The nice thing about Mono is that you can target every platform ever with it, including mobile. So if I were contracted to write something business class in something interpreted, I'd definitely put C# with Mono at the top of the list. It is much nicer than Java to develop in, and has platform parity.

mittermayr 14y ago

and to summarize what I wanted to say: microsoft should finally split up into two separate entities. a microsoft for business solutions. and a complete separate brand (yes, new name, new logo, new location) that caters to consumers. bridging these is probably easier, than to apply business marketing to a consumer, and consumer marketing to large businesses. if they focused just on business, many of the hater blogs would not even remotely talk about it - and the industry relevant magazines would be as they are, acknowledge the good things, highlight the improvements.

jiggy2011 14y ago
That would probably be the kiss of death to MS as we know it. The big plus for using MS for business is that your users are probably reasonably familiar with it at home. And the reason they buy them at home is that they already use them at work.

btipling 14y ago

I imagine, since you say you love C# are you a .Net programmer? Others have pointed out that .Net programmers are Microsoft's biggest cheerleaders these days and have a conflict of interest in speaking about Microsoft's future since maybe they have staked their career on .NET.

jfb 14y ago
It's hardly a conflict of interest to cheer for your preferred technology on an Internet bulletin board.
zanny 14y ago
Personally, if I wanted an interpreted language with bytecode, I much prefer C#. Much nicer language than Java. But the windows tools suck in my book (VS is slow as hell, their compilers are arcane, etc) and I much prefer Mono. The nice thing about Mono is that you can target every platform ever with it, including mobile. So if I were contracted to write something business class in something interpreted, I'd definitely put C# with Mono at the top of the list. It is much nicer than Java to develop in, and has platform parity.