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Windows 8 Pro price going from $40 to $200 on Feb 1

33 points by djt 14y ago

petercooper 14y ago
Maybe there's an obvious answer, but why can't they sell it in a non-upgrade version for download too (even at $200)? I'm a Mac user who wants a legal Windows 8 VM but short of buying Windows 7 + the upgrade (except the online MS store doesn't seem to have 7) or joining MSDN ($700+) I can't find a legal way to do it.
- deleted 14y ago
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- dangrossman 14y ago
  There is no full-version retail Windows product, and probably never will be for future versions either. If you want to install on a new PC or VM, you are to buy the System Builder ('OEM') license. http://www.amazon.com/Windows-System-Builder-DVD-64-Bit/dp/B0094NY3R0 http://www.amazon.com/Windows-System-Builder-DVD-64-Bit/dp/B... http://www.amazon.com/Windows-Professional-System-Builder-64-Bit/dp/B0094NXBZ0/ref=sr_1_2?s=software&ie=UTF8&qid=1358613482&sr=1-2&keywords=windows+8+system+builder http://www.amazon.com/Windows-Professional-System-Builder-64... Previously, the OEM license was only for installing Windows on PCs intended for sale. The newest System Builder license includes a provision allowing you to install it on a system or a virtual machine for personal use. That's why they don't need to produce a consumer retail box any more.
  - petercooper 14y ago
    Ah yeah, I should have stressed the download part. My local Amazon (UK) has an OEM version available on DVD which is ultimately probably how I'll have to do it and then rip it to an ISO. But it's 2013.. c'mon MS.
    - djt 14y ago
      yeah that sucks. It may be a deal with the OEMs thats creates this weird situation.
      - myalt 14y ago
        They run all their taxes through the country they stamp the discs in.
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- heartbreak 14y ago
  I had an unlicensed (but legitimately obtained) copy of Windows 7 on a VM. I upgraded with the $40 Windows 8 upgrade, and it activated without a hitch.
  - djt 14y ago
    Do you mean your Win 7 was on a volume license?
    - heartbreak 14y ago
      Sorry, I should have said "un-activated." It was a boxed version of Windows 7 Home Premium that I had run out of valid licenses for, so I just never activated it. I was then able to use the upgrade edition of Windows 8 to install and activate successfully. I have since reverted back to my un-activated install of Windows 7.
- Achshar 14y ago
  I updated my win 8 release preview with the $40 price. And i have read online that pirated versions can also be upgraded. Maybe this is a mistake Microsoft means to make. People who pirate mostly aren't going to pay anyways, this way they at least get some money and get to convert non genuine users to genuine ones. A win-win for everyone.
- thaiphan 14y ago
  Doesn't EC2 come with Windows instances? You could try that.
- sliverstorm 14y ago
  You could always pick up a copy of Windows XP on Craigslist or eBay for cheap. It's a bit of a pain, but you can still do a full reformat install so long as the installer detects the old installation first. Alternatively, you could buy the copy of Windows XP, skip actually installing it, and work around the fact that you didn't. Legal i's dotted and t's crossed, pain of installing XP avoided.
  - theoretick 14y ago
    I tried the WinXP thing but Bootcamp doesn't support XP anymore and it all starts getting difficult without a optical drive (find drive, rip, copy image to usb,...). I ended up just pirating it out of sheer annoyance and since it was the only way I could get Win7 working.
    - sliverstorm 14y ago
      This is where that second line I wrote comes in.
- rdl 14y ago
  If you are doing this in a startup related context, joint Microsoft biz spark.
ceiloazule 14y ago
Microsoft has been all about the cash for quite sometime now, after the scam they ran with vista/langehorn (or was it longhorn), I'll go linux before I'd spend another cent on one of their o.s.
- shoota 14y ago
  What does that even mean? They're a corporation of course they're about making profit.
- kunai 14y ago
  Well, of course they want money. They're a business, and last time I checked, businesses, uh, made money. I believe it's part of their job description. And Vista/Longhorn wasn't a "scam" like you say. It was a crappy OS, but it certainly wasn't a scam -- scam = fraud. Fraud = litigation. Nobody sued Microsoft over Vista. Sure, it was a battery and resource hogging, slow, buggy, unintuitive, annoying, unstable operating system, but to say it was a scam is going a bit too far. And there's a reason why many people still run Windows. I'm running Xubuntu 12.10 on my box right now, and it's the best OS I've used so far -- except for the software library. GNU/Linux has a very limited software library, whereas Windows has the largest. And before you shout "WINE!", many applications do not run properly on Wine, and many recent apps aren't even supported, i.e. Adobe Creative Suite 6. GNU/Linux still has a long way to go in terms of software, so it cannot be considered a viable replacement for Windows. Until somebody develops a native, modern, full-featured office suite and Adobe ports CS to GNU/Linux, many pro and business users are left with two options: to buy an expensive OS X machine, or to buy an expensive OS upgrade for their PC. Either way, the customer loses. I still dual boot 7 for this very reason, even though it's not even close to Xubuntu in terms of stability. And it's not that 7 is a bad operating system, it's just that Xubuntu is so good it makes 7 look lopsided in comparison. Don't get me wrong -- Windows 7 is a very good OS, apart from the security problems, which aren't even that bad compared to previous versions of Windows. Don't run as root and you'll be O.K. Microsoft has gotten a lot of flak lately, some of it deserved, some of it not-so-well-deserved. But they're a company. Companies make mistakes, and I don't think it's fair to label them as scammers just because they rushed an OS to market.
peterhi 14y ago
So HN is taking ads now?
- djt 14y ago
  nope, i am going to buy a copy before the price goes up and i thought others here might too. I assume MS would keep the price low for Win 8, but apparently not.
  - scholia 14y ago
    Upgrade business isn't really a big source of funds compared with pre-installs. This time Microsoft offered a cut-rate deal that it said (last October) would last until January 31. I suspect that PC makers like Microsoft having a high retail price for Windows. It makes cheap laptops look better value.
  - peterhi 14y ago
    The link you submitted goes straight to the Microsoft sales page. No news, no discussion. Just pure advertising. If you are upgrading to Windows 8 then good for you. But the link you posted is just an advert.
    - djt 14y ago
      If Raspberry Pi was increasing its price on a certain day then I don't think people would complain. At least it's honest. Half the blog posts are just SEO for people in tech's businesses.
rbanffy 14y ago
Someone really needs to hit their unit sales target before January ends... ;-) Now, seriously, this has been known since before the launch.
wiradikusuma 14y ago
How much is the "standard" edition? Can't find it in the website, always redirected to buy Pro.
Mahn 14y ago
Perhaps the most important question is... why would a desktop user want to "upgrade" to windows 8? Seriously, to this day I still don't know.
- pizza 14y ago
  Windows 8 is a fantastic improvement to Windows 7. Not that I've taken measurements, but it feels much faster. The built-in tools like task manager and even the copying utility are much more informative and useful now. I was much more impressed with it than I thought I would be, and now it's running on two of my family's laptops and our desktop. Are you saying a desktop user wouldn't want to use windows 8 because of the Metro UI? There's only really one place where I ever see Metro on Windows 8, and that's in the start screen (which replaced the start menu), which is easily navigable using just a keyboard. In fact, I prefer the start screen to the start menu in Windows 7, Vista etc. because it's just a lot faster.
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  - kunai 14y ago
    Try Stardock's Start8 utility and you'll see just how useless the Start screen is on a desktop. Start8 is just like a curated Start screen Start menu hybrid. It's a far better implementation than Microsoft's. Sorry, but I still think Microsoft screwed up by putting a tablet interface on a desktop OS. If they just had spent a little more time on how exactly they planned to get Metro on the desktop, things could have really been great.
    - Zr40 14y ago
      This is what choice is about. Like the start screen? No problem. Don't like the start screen? Use one of the many start menu replacements.
  - bunderbunder 14y ago
    Don't forget the (ugh) Charms bar, and also default apps for any file types for which you haven't changed the associated program yet. Couldn't say whether the start screen is faster than the start menu, for me search results always come up instantaneously, and it's hard to get a lag time below zero. But my computer was reasonably powerful; maybe it's a different story on lower-end hardware. Anyway, I've upgraded one computer and this was a good reminder to go out and buy a copy so I can upgrade a second computer. I'm personally happy with Windows 8 in that for me the upsides outweigh the downsides. . . but for the sake of fairness I feel obligated to disclaim that I'm both more comfortable with adjusting my habits and more able to adjust the OS's behavior than many people out there. Long story short, Windows 8 is both a impressive technical step forward and (for desktops) a stunning UI step backward. Which of those matters more is a choice for the individual.
sergiotapia 14y ago
I'm still pissed off at them for not allowing me to upgrade or even purchase a standalone version of Windows 8. I live in Bolivia, why can't I purchase a DIGITAL GOOD using something like Paypal. Every other online business accepts my hard earned money, Microsoft doesn't. Fuck 'em. (Pardon my french) I really really wanted to go legit and buy myself a copy of Windows 8 but not legal paths are provided for me.
- djt 14y ago
  can you buy a copy from amazon and get it shipped?
  - sergiotapia 14y ago
    The thing is: Why should I? Why can I ilegally download a Windows 7 .ISO, apply a serial key and have it work? Why can't I do the same for Windows 8 legally?
macspoofing 14y ago
That should increase sales.
teamonkey 14y ago
A word of warning to those upgrading. If you upgrade from a 32-bit version of Windows you are forced to upgrade to 32-bit Windows 8 with no access to the 64-bit edition. Annoyingly, some manufacturers (in my case Dell) shipped 32-bit versions of Vista and Windows 7 on 64-bit processors, presumably to save costs.
- Stratoscope 14y ago
  You can't do an in-place upgrade from 32 to 64 bit, but you can do a clean install. The older machines that had 32 bit Windows on 64 bit hardware were usually done that way for software compatibility back when a lot of devices didn't have good 64 bit support. Also out of conservatism in corporate sales.
  - teamonkey 14y ago
    It was a clean install. If you use the upgrade tool to upgrade a 32-bit version of Vista or Win7, the version of Windows 8 that is downloaded (and which you can burn to DVD) has no 64-bit support.
MaggieL 14y ago
By the way, if your BIOS doesn't support "Secure Boot", forget it.
- Zr40 14y ago
  Not true. Windows 8 runs regardless of whether Secure Boot is supported.

33 points by djt 14y ago

Maybe there's an obvious answer, but why can't they sell it in a non-upgrade version for download too (even at $200)? I'm a Mac user who wants a legal Windows 8 VM but short of buying Windows 7 + the upgrade (except the online MS store doesn't seem to have 7) or joining MSDN ($700+) I can't find a legal way to do it.

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dangrossman 14y ago
There is no full-version retail Windows product, and probably never will be for future versions either. If you want to install on a new PC or VM, you are to buy the System Builder ('OEM') license. http://www.amazon.com/Windows-System-Builder-DVD-64-Bit/dp/B0094NY3R0 http://www.amazon.com/Windows-System-Builder-DVD-64-Bit/dp/B... http://www.amazon.com/Windows-Professional-System-Builder-64-Bit/dp/B0094NXBZ0/ref=sr_1_2?s=software&ie=UTF8&qid=1358613482&sr=1-2&keywords=windows+8+system+builder http://www.amazon.com/Windows-Professional-System-Builder-64... Previously, the OEM license was only for installing Windows on PCs intended for sale. The newest System Builder license includes a provision allowing you to install it on a system or a virtual machine for personal use. That's why they don't need to produce a consumer retail box any more.
- petercooper 14y ago
  Ah yeah, I should have stressed the download part. My local Amazon (UK) has an OEM version available on DVD which is ultimately probably how I'll have to do it and then rip it to an ISO. But it's 2013.. c'mon MS.
  - djt 14y ago
    yeah that sucks. It may be a deal with the OEMs thats creates this weird situation.
    - myalt 14y ago
      They run all their taxes through the country they stamp the discs in.
deleted 14y ago
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heartbreak 14y ago
I had an unlicensed (but legitimately obtained) copy of Windows 7 on a VM. I upgraded with the $40 Windows 8 upgrade, and it activated without a hitch.
- djt 14y ago
  Do you mean your Win 7 was on a volume license?
  - heartbreak 14y ago
    Sorry, I should have said "un-activated." It was a boxed version of Windows 7 Home Premium that I had run out of valid licenses for, so I just never activated it. I was then able to use the upgrade edition of Windows 8 to install and activate successfully. I have since reverted back to my un-activated install of Windows 7.
Achshar 14y ago
I updated my win 8 release preview with the $40 price. And i have read online that pirated versions can also be upgraded. Maybe this is a mistake Microsoft means to make. People who pirate mostly aren't going to pay anyways, this way they at least get some money and get to convert non genuine users to genuine ones. A win-win for everyone.
thaiphan 14y ago
Doesn't EC2 come with Windows instances? You could try that.
sliverstorm 14y ago
You could always pick up a copy of Windows XP on Craigslist or eBay for cheap. It's a bit of a pain, but you can still do a full reformat install so long as the installer detects the old installation first. Alternatively, you could buy the copy of Windows XP, skip actually installing it, and work around the fact that you didn't. Legal i's dotted and t's crossed, pain of installing XP avoided.
- theoretick 14y ago
  I tried the WinXP thing but Bootcamp doesn't support XP anymore and it all starts getting difficult without a optical drive (find drive, rip, copy image to usb,...). I ended up just pirating it out of sheer annoyance and since it was the only way I could get Win7 working.
  - sliverstorm 14y ago
    This is where that second line I wrote comes in.
rdl 14y ago
If you are doing this in a startup related context, joint Microsoft biz spark.

ceiloazule 14y ago

Microsoft has been all about the cash for quite sometime now, after the scam they ran with vista/langehorn (or was it longhorn), I'll go linux before I'd spend another cent on one of their o.s.

shoota 14y ago
What does that even mean? They're a corporation of course they're about making profit.
kunai 14y ago
Well, of course they want money. They're a business, and last time I checked, businesses, uh, made money. I believe it's part of their job description. And Vista/Longhorn wasn't a "scam" like you say. It was a crappy OS, but it certainly wasn't a scam -- scam = fraud. Fraud = litigation. Nobody sued Microsoft over Vista. Sure, it was a battery and resource hogging, slow, buggy, unintuitive, annoying, unstable operating system, but to say it was a scam is going a bit too far. And there's a reason why many people still run Windows. I'm running Xubuntu 12.10 on my box right now, and it's the best OS I've used so far -- except for the software library. GNU/Linux has a very limited software library, whereas Windows has the largest. And before you shout "WINE!", many applications do not run properly on Wine, and many recent apps aren't even supported, i.e. Adobe Creative Suite 6. GNU/Linux still has a long way to go in terms of software, so it cannot be considered a viable replacement for Windows. Until somebody develops a native, modern, full-featured office suite and Adobe ports CS to GNU/Linux, many pro and business users are left with two options: to buy an expensive OS X machine, or to buy an expensive OS upgrade for their PC. Either way, the customer loses. I still dual boot 7 for this very reason, even though it's not even close to Xubuntu in terms of stability. And it's not that 7 is a bad operating system, it's just that Xubuntu is so good it makes 7 look lopsided in comparison. Don't get me wrong -- Windows 7 is a very good OS, apart from the security problems, which aren't even that bad compared to previous versions of Windows. Don't run as root and you'll be O.K. Microsoft has gotten a lot of flak lately, some of it deserved, some of it not-so-well-deserved. But they're a company. Companies make mistakes, and I don't think it's fair to label them as scammers just because they rushed an OS to market.

peterhi 14y ago

So HN is taking ads now?

djt 14y ago
nope, i am going to buy a copy before the price goes up and i thought others here might too. I assume MS would keep the price low for Win 8, but apparently not.
- scholia 14y ago
  Upgrade business isn't really a big source of funds compared with pre-installs. This time Microsoft offered a cut-rate deal that it said (last October) would last until January 31. I suspect that PC makers like Microsoft having a high retail price for Windows. It makes cheap laptops look better value.
- peterhi 14y ago
  The link you submitted goes straight to the Microsoft sales page. No news, no discussion. Just pure advertising. If you are upgrading to Windows 8 then good for you. But the link you posted is just an advert.
  - djt 14y ago
    If Raspberry Pi was increasing its price on a certain day then I don't think people would complain. At least it's honest. Half the blog posts are just SEO for people in tech's businesses.

rbanffy 14y ago

Someone really needs to hit their unit sales target before January ends... ;-) Now, seriously, this has been known since before the launch.

wiradikusuma 14y ago

How much is the "standard" edition? Can't find it in the website, always redirected to buy Pro.

Mahn 14y ago

Perhaps the most important question is... why would a desktop user want to "upgrade" to windows 8? Seriously, to this day I still don't know.

pizza 14y ago
Windows 8 is a fantastic improvement to Windows 7. Not that I've taken measurements, but it feels much faster. The built-in tools like task manager and even the copying utility are much more informative and useful now. I was much more impressed with it than I thought I would be, and now it's running on two of my family's laptops and our desktop. Are you saying a desktop user wouldn't want to use windows 8 because of the Metro UI? There's only really one place where I ever see Metro on Windows 8, and that's in the start screen (which replaced the start menu), which is easily navigable using just a keyboard. In fact, I prefer the start screen to the start menu in Windows 7, Vista etc. because it's just a lot faster.
- deleted 14y ago
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- kunai 14y ago
  Try Stardock's Start8 utility and you'll see just how useless the Start screen is on a desktop. Start8 is just like a curated Start screen Start menu hybrid. It's a far better implementation than Microsoft's. Sorry, but I still think Microsoft screwed up by putting a tablet interface on a desktop OS. If they just had spent a little more time on how exactly they planned to get Metro on the desktop, things could have really been great.
  - Zr40 14y ago
    This is what choice is about. Like the start screen? No problem. Don't like the start screen? Use one of the many start menu replacements.
- bunderbunder 14y ago
  Don't forget the (ugh) Charms bar, and also default apps for any file types for which you haven't changed the associated program yet. Couldn't say whether the start screen is faster than the start menu, for me search results always come up instantaneously, and it's hard to get a lag time below zero. But my computer was reasonably powerful; maybe it's a different story on lower-end hardware. Anyway, I've upgraded one computer and this was a good reminder to go out and buy a copy so I can upgrade a second computer. I'm personally happy with Windows 8 in that for me the upsides outweigh the downsides. . . but for the sake of fairness I feel obligated to disclaim that I'm both more comfortable with adjusting my habits and more able to adjust the OS's behavior than many people out there. Long story short, Windows 8 is both a impressive technical step forward and (for desktops) a stunning UI step backward. Which of those matters more is a choice for the individual.

sergiotapia 14y ago

I'm still pissed off at them for not allowing me to upgrade or even purchase a standalone version of Windows 8. I live in Bolivia, why can't I purchase a DIGITAL GOOD using something like Paypal. Every other online business accepts my hard earned money, Microsoft doesn't. Fuck 'em. (Pardon my french) I really really wanted to go legit and buy myself a copy of Windows 8 but not legal paths are provided for me.

djt 14y ago
can you buy a copy from amazon and get it shipped?
- sergiotapia 14y ago
  The thing is: Why should I? Why can I ilegally download a Windows 7 .ISO, apply a serial key and have it work? Why can't I do the same for Windows 8 legally?

macspoofing 14y ago

That should increase sales.

teamonkey 14y ago

A word of warning to those upgrading. If you upgrade from a 32-bit version of Windows you are forced to upgrade to 32-bit Windows 8 with no access to the 64-bit edition. Annoyingly, some manufacturers (in my case Dell) shipped 32-bit versions of Vista and Windows 7 on 64-bit processors, presumably to save costs.

Stratoscope 14y ago
You can't do an in-place upgrade from 32 to 64 bit, but you can do a clean install. The older machines that had 32 bit Windows on 64 bit hardware were usually done that way for software compatibility back when a lot of devices didn't have good 64 bit support. Also out of conservatism in corporate sales.
- teamonkey 14y ago
  It was a clean install. If you use the upgrade tool to upgrade a 32-bit version of Vista or Win7, the version of Windows 8 that is downloaded (and which you can burn to DVD) has no 64-bit support.

MaggieL 14y ago

By the way, if your BIOS doesn't support "Secure Boot", forget it.

Zr40 14y ago
Not true. Windows 8 runs regardless of whether Secure Boot is supported.