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This is an oblique, needlessly wordy way to say that if you make public all the information needed to download a file, the authorities have the information to i

by skymt 14y ago

This is an oblique, needlessly wordy way to say that if you make public all the information needed to download a file, the authorities have the information to issue a takedown order for that file. Absolutely true, and MEGA was not created to solve that problem. Possibly the biggest point in the case against MegaUpload was that when they received a DMCA complaint, they deleted only the links mentioned in the complaint. (MU had a standard deduplication system, where if a file is uploaded more than once, the new copy is simply created as a link to the original to save space.) Other links to the same content were left up. The prosecutors claimed MU was required to delete the actual file in storage. MEGA avoids that issue entirely. If every file is encrypted, and MEGA doesn't have the key, they have no way to connect uploads of the same file and remove them en masse. It's true that DMCA complaints can still be issued if a copyright holder discovers a link to a pirated file, but that wouldn't wipe out every other copy at the same time.

brownbat 14y ago
Agree, plus... MEGA is siloing infrastructure off from access, and that's significant. (I mean "infrastructure" as holding and sending bits, while "access" is your link + key so people can unwrap all the way to the gooey content). The post is right that enforcement can still find and takedown access that is broadcast. But short messagaes (ie, access) are easy to keep alive through backchannels, while downed infrastructure stays down a while. Here's one way content could become relatively takedown-proof with everyone following somewhat normal behavior on MEGA: User uploads content, shares with 20 friends. After getting notification that 20 or so people have downloaded,* pulls the content offline (maybe reuploads to a private link). Friends possess the content and their own MEGA accounts. Several friends repost to MEGA, and you have second generation sharing, now reaching 100 or so people. The cycle continues, spreading content increasingly quickly, but building liability firewalls behind each degree of separation, any takedown impacts a dwindling fraction of the overall sharing population. (The post claimed this was just like lending a DVD to a friend. Yeah, sort of, except now it can be shared instantly, remotely, and to dozens of people simultaneously.) * No idea if this will be a MEGA feature, I assume it will be.

by skymt 14y ago

brownbat 14y ago

Agree, plus... MEGA is siloing infrastructure off from access, and that's significant. (I mean "infrastructure" as holding and sending bits, while "access" is your link + key so people can unwrap all the way to the gooey content). The post is right that enforcement can still find and takedown access that is broadcast. But short messagaes (ie, access) are easy to keep alive through backchannels, while downed infrastructure stays down a while. Here's one way content could become relatively takedown-proof with everyone following somewhat normal behavior on MEGA: User uploads content, shares with 20 friends. After getting notification that 20 or so people have downloaded,* pulls the content offline (maybe reuploads to a private link). Friends possess the content and their own MEGA accounts. Several friends repost to MEGA, and you have second generation sharing, now reaching 100 or so people. The cycle continues, spreading content increasingly quickly, but building liability firewalls behind each degree of separation, any takedown impacts a dwindling fraction of the overall sharing population. (The post claimed this was just like lending a DVD to a friend. Yeah, sort of, except now it can be shared instantly, remotely, and to dozens of people simultaneously.) * No idea if this will be a MEGA feature, I assume it will be.