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Aside from which, it would be a cold day in hell before Boeing took him up on this. A highly publicized left turn to an outside team, to re-do portions of a dec

Aside from which, it would be a cold day in hell before Boeing took him up on this. A highly publicized left turn to an outside team, to re-do portions of a decades-long, $32 billion R&D program, which has already entered passenger service and is supposed to be completely safe? I can't even begin to fathom the PR shitstorm that would result from that.

pkulak 14y ago
Really? You have a problem with LiIon batteries and you get help from the best electric car company in the world? It's called consulting. It happens all the time. I don't see the public giving a shit.
- michael_miller 14y ago
  I think what the OP is trying to point out is that this would be seen as an "oh shit we don't know what went wrong" consulting job rather than a "we knew we weren't good at this from the start, so we contracted out to another company who was" job. They've already implicitly asserted that they knew what they were doing by putting the batteries into a certified plane, so this would likely be construed as an emergency cry for help. Also, most of the time the use of consultants isn't publicized - taking help from Elon Musk would no doubt be broadcast heavily by the media, and most likely not in a positive light.
- rgbrenner 14y ago
  "get help from the best electric car company in the world" Tesla has revenue of 200m/yr. At this rate, it'll be 160 years before Tesla pulls in revenue equal to the R&D on this plane. Tesla doesn't even manufacturer their own batteries. Boeing doesn't need to go ask Tesla for help, they can buy the company with the change in their pocket if they thought there was anything there of value to them. This is nothing more than a publicity stunt. Did I already mention that Tesla does not manufacturer their own batteries.
  - dojomouse 14y ago
    Careful with your years. Teslas 2012 revenue will break $400mil. 2013 will likely break $1bil.
    - rgbrenner 14y ago
      Aren't those the numbers that were released back in september? When they cut their revenue forecast from 600m to 400m? Tesla hasn't released any numbers for 2012 yet.. so unless you work there, you have no idea if they will break 400m for 2012. And even if you do work there, 1b for 2013 is pure speculation on your part.
      - clarky07 14y ago
        Or he could be looking at public guidance given by the company or estimates from wall st. The estimate avg for 2012 is 402 mil. The avg for 2013 is 1.6 bil, with a low estimate of 1.4 bil. I'd say he's perfectly reasonable, and you are being rude and unpleasant. http://finance.yahoo.com/q/ae?s=TSLA+Analyst+Estimates http://finance.yahoo.com/q/ae?s=TSLA+Analyst+Estimates
        rgbrenner 14y ago
        So you're saying that because analysts on wall street say they'll make 1.4b in 2013, then it's not speculation? Sure.
        gjkood 14y ago
        But isn't that the basis of the stock market? Analysts estimate and the CEO executes to meet or exceed those expectations. Are you just skeptical of Tesla meeting those expectations or all companies that are public? Do you have information that the Analysts don't have access to as the basis of your skepticism?
        riffraff 14y ago

pkulak 14y ago

Really? You have a problem with LiIon batteries and you get help from the best electric car company in the world? It's called consulting. It happens all the time. I don't see the public giving a shit.

michael_miller 14y ago
I think what the OP is trying to point out is that this would be seen as an "oh shit we don't know what went wrong" consulting job rather than a "we knew we weren't good at this from the start, so we contracted out to another company who was" job. They've already implicitly asserted that they knew what they were doing by putting the batteries into a certified plane, so this would likely be construed as an emergency cry for help. Also, most of the time the use of consultants isn't publicized - taking help from Elon Musk would no doubt be broadcast heavily by the media, and most likely not in a positive light.
rgbrenner 14y ago
"get help from the best electric car company in the world" Tesla has revenue of 200m/yr. At this rate, it'll be 160 years before Tesla pulls in revenue equal to the R&D on this plane. Tesla doesn't even manufacturer their own batteries. Boeing doesn't need to go ask Tesla for help, they can buy the company with the change in their pocket if they thought there was anything there of value to them. This is nothing more than a publicity stunt. Did I already mention that Tesla does not manufacturer their own batteries.
- dojomouse 14y ago
  Careful with your years. Teslas 2012 revenue will break $400mil. 2013 will likely break $1bil.
  - rgbrenner 14y ago
    Aren't those the numbers that were released back in september? When they cut their revenue forecast from 600m to 400m? Tesla hasn't released any numbers for 2012 yet.. so unless you work there, you have no idea if they will break 400m for 2012. And even if you do work there, 1b for 2013 is pure speculation on your part.
    - clarky07 14y ago
      Or he could be looking at public guidance given by the company or estimates from wall st. The estimate avg for 2012 is 402 mil. The avg for 2013 is 1.6 bil, with a low estimate of 1.4 bil. I'd say he's perfectly reasonable, and you are being rude and unpleasant. http://finance.yahoo.com/q/ae?s=TSLA+Analyst+Estimates http://finance.yahoo.com/q/ae?s=TSLA+Analyst+Estimates
      - rgbrenner 14y ago
        So you're saying that because analysts on wall street say they'll make 1.4b in 2013, then it's not speculation? Sure.
        gjkood 14y ago
        But isn't that the basis of the stock market? Analysts estimate and the CEO executes to meet or exceed those expectations. Are you just skeptical of Tesla meeting those expectations or all companies that are public? Do you have information that the Analysts don't have access to as the basis of your skepticism?
        riffraff 14y ago