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Evidently something went wrong with the batteries on the Boeing 787, so if those engineers were so good, how do you explain that there was a problem? The proof'

Evidently something went wrong with the batteries on the Boeing 787, so if those engineers were so good, how do you explain that there was a problem? The proof's in the pudding. Have you heard of Tesla batteries catching on fire? Me neither. (GM's Volt, however, is another story.)

rgbrenner 14y ago
http://www.teslamotors.com/it_IT/forum/forums/electric-car-battery-catches-fire-after-crash-test http://www.teslamotors.com/it_IT/forum/forums/electric-car-b... http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/10/07/tesla_roadster_recall/ http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/10/07/tesla_roadster_recal... http://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/10/08/tesla-recalling-439-roadsters-for-fire-hazard/ http://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/10/08/tesla-recalling-4... http://blog.timesunion.com/hottopics/100k-electric-vehicle-being-investigated-after-texas-fire/10056/ http://blog.timesunion.com/hottopics/100k-electric-vehicle-b... http://autos.yahoo.com/blogs/motoramic/fisker-karma-evs-caught-hurricane-sandy-floods-catch-161400037.html http://autos.yahoo.com/blogs/motoramic/fisker-karma-evs-caug... http://www.leftlanenews.com/16-fisker-karmas-catch-fire-at-port-newark-in-wake-of-sandy.html http://www.leftlanenews.com/16-fisker-karmas-catch-fire-at-p... http://priuschat.com/threads/more-than-a-dozen-fisker-karma-hybrids-caught-fire-and-exploded-in-new-jersey-port-after-sandy.117497/ http://priuschat.com/threads/more-than-a-dozen-fisker-karma-... What were you saying?
- chris_mahan 14y ago
  Wait, you put links for fisker-karma in there... Yes, there was a recall, and Tesla recalled all their roadsters because there might have been a fire in a cable (not in the battery mind you), but none of the articles you pointed to showed that there was, ever, one Tesla battery system that caught fire. I am ready to be disproved, but I'd need actual proof.
  - OGinparadise 14y ago
    You think someone is going to waste time to find you "proof" especially in light of your previous comment http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5081667 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5081667 ? I tell you what, using your logic, maybe those Tesla engineers can fix the battery but they'll f-up the cable and the plane will burn totally next time. Proof is in the pudding and all, no? Ever build anything with a lot of parts? Things do go wrong.
    - chris_mahan 14y ago
      Granted, things do go wrong, but Boeing is in a pinch. They were years behind on delivery of the 787, they now have 45 787s grounded, they can't make new deliveries to customers, and that means their supply chain is getting all jacked. I think they should look long and hard at all their options. As far as proving me wrong, perhaps it's because I did my research on Tesla too. And in the interest of disclosure, I own Tesla stock as well as Boeing stock.
  - doktrin 14y ago
    Your criteria for being "proven wrong" are fairly narrow. Tesla has clearly had quite their share of battery related difficulties, including the infamous bricking problems. They have domain knowledge, but let's not pretend they are in the same zip code - let alone ballpark - as Boeing. This is a publicity grab by Elon.
    - chris_mahan 14y ago
      Umm, I own Boeing stock, I have friends who work there, I have friends who have retired from there. I have a healthy respect for them, and I have bought Ford stock on the strength of Mullally's performance at Boeing. Since a bunch of NASA guys have gone to SpaceX and since Toyota and Daimler both work with Tesla (both are multi-billion dollar companies), I think the zip-code/ballpark analogy went too far. The company is younger and smaller, granted, but I wouldn't put it past them to put a serious dent in Boeing's businesses. And, about the criteria being narrow: yes, of course it is.

rgbrenner 14y ago

http://www.teslamotors.com/it_IT/forum/forums/electric-car-battery-catches-fire-after-crash-test http://www.teslamotors.com/it_IT/forum/forums/electric-car-b... http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/10/07/tesla_roadster_recall/ http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/10/07/tesla_roadster_recal... http://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/10/08/tesla-recalling-439-roadsters-for-fire-hazard/ http://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/10/08/tesla-recalling-4... http://blog.timesunion.com/hottopics/100k-electric-vehicle-being-investigated-after-texas-fire/10056/ http://blog.timesunion.com/hottopics/100k-electric-vehicle-b... http://autos.yahoo.com/blogs/motoramic/fisker-karma-evs-caught-hurricane-sandy-floods-catch-161400037.html http://autos.yahoo.com/blogs/motoramic/fisker-karma-evs-caug... http://www.leftlanenews.com/16-fisker-karmas-catch-fire-at-port-newark-in-wake-of-sandy.html http://www.leftlanenews.com/16-fisker-karmas-catch-fire-at-p... http://priuschat.com/threads/more-than-a-dozen-fisker-karma-hybrids-caught-fire-and-exploded-in-new-jersey-port-after-sandy.117497/ http://priuschat.com/threads/more-than-a-dozen-fisker-karma-... What were you saying?

chris_mahan 14y ago
Wait, you put links for fisker-karma in there... Yes, there was a recall, and Tesla recalled all their roadsters because there might have been a fire in a cable (not in the battery mind you), but none of the articles you pointed to showed that there was, ever, one Tesla battery system that caught fire. I am ready to be disproved, but I'd need actual proof.
- OGinparadise 14y ago
  You think someone is going to waste time to find you "proof" especially in light of your previous comment http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5081667 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5081667 ? I tell you what, using your logic, maybe those Tesla engineers can fix the battery but they'll f-up the cable and the plane will burn totally next time. Proof is in the pudding and all, no? Ever build anything with a lot of parts? Things do go wrong.
  - chris_mahan 14y ago
    Granted, things do go wrong, but Boeing is in a pinch. They were years behind on delivery of the 787, they now have 45 787s grounded, they can't make new deliveries to customers, and that means their supply chain is getting all jacked. I think they should look long and hard at all their options. As far as proving me wrong, perhaps it's because I did my research on Tesla too. And in the interest of disclosure, I own Tesla stock as well as Boeing stock.
- doktrin 14y ago
  Your criteria for being "proven wrong" are fairly narrow. Tesla has clearly had quite their share of battery related difficulties, including the infamous bricking problems. They have domain knowledge, but let's not pretend they are in the same zip code - let alone ballpark - as Boeing. This is a publicity grab by Elon.
  - chris_mahan 14y ago
    Umm, I own Boeing stock, I have friends who work there, I have friends who have retired from there. I have a healthy respect for them, and I have bought Ford stock on the strength of Mullally's performance at Boeing. Since a bunch of NASA guys have gone to SpaceX and since Toyota and Daimler both work with Tesla (both are multi-billion dollar companies), I think the zip-code/ballpark analogy went too far. The company is younger and smaller, granted, but I wouldn't put it past them to put a serious dent in Boeing's businesses. And, about the criteria being narrow: yes, of course it is.