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> There was something else going on in his life that we don't and most probably won't know or ever understand that lead him to take his own life. Facing prison

by genwin 14y ago

> There was something else going on in his life that we don't and most probably won't know or ever understand that lead him to take his own life. Facing prison for even 6 months is reason enough to kill yourself. Facing that plus rapes/AIDS/beatings/overcrowding in prison, plus a large fine, plus multiple years of probation, all for a victimless crime, is even more reason to kill yourself.

koide 14y ago
Are you actually recommending suicide to all would be inmates, or just to the depressive HN readers who might be on a tight spot right now? Your comment strikes me as absolutely irresponsible and out of touch with reality. Prison is not a joke, but there's a reason the capital punishment is death. Why increase the sentence on your own?
- genwin 14y ago
  Suicide is a viable option to what Aaron was facing, no depression needed. His life was all but ruined anyway. Plenty of people chose suicide on 9/11 rather than face something worse. Doubtful they were all irresponsible, depressed, or out of touch with reality. More likely they just made the best choice as they saw it.
  - koide 14y ago
    It's a great thing you can tell the future regarding Aaron's life had it continued. I'll ignore the strawman.
    - genwin 14y ago
      Yet you are confident you can predict his future, it seems. I have an opinion about which of two options is better. Of course I could be wrong. Maybe Aaron would sell another piece of a company, enough to pay off the fine/penalties/interest and not be homeless. If it were me I'd jump off a bridge before I'd endure repeated anal rape, let alone everything else Aaron was facing.
      - koide 14y ago
        On the contrary, I don't even know if he would have actually ended up in prison, let alone anally raped. But you are sure he would - before his trial started! Anyway, the main point that has totally gone over your head, is that one should never, ever, encourage suicide. There are people out there with the right type of wrong mood that might get influenced by careless talk. Before you tell me you don't care and it's not your responsibility, please think harder. Thanks.
        genwin 14y ago
        Trial wasn't a good choice. He could've ended up in prison for 10+ years that way, and probably didn't have the $1+ million for legal fees to have a decent chance of avoiding that outcome. A plea bargain or fleeing to one of the few corners of the world where the US can't grab you were the only realistic choices other than suicide. > Anyway, the main point that has totally gone over your head, is that one should never, ever, encourage suicide. I'm not encouraging suicide in general. I'm saying it can be a viable option, no depression necessary. By being realistic about suicide being a viable option we might better save people on the brink by better understanding their thinking, rather than assume that the choice of suicide is always bad and taboo to discuss.
        koide 14y ago
        Suicide is a good choice, but trial wasn't because you might get a 10 year sentence. Pray tell, what prevents suicide during trial or after conviction? Suicide can be an option without depression, but when you have the fire at your toes and it's either death in 30 seconds by fire or in 5 minutes by free fall (and even then it's arguable.) It's certainly NOT a viable option when you are months or years away of the feared problems, and even LESS so when they are not life or death. Suicide can be talked about but not like you stated it: "He had no choice, yeah, suicide made sense." Especially when you are not being realistic, you are blinded by a weird combination of prescience and intimate knowledge of the happenings inside of prisons. Which leads to my final point (this is what led me to answer your nonsense for a final time): Going to jail IS an option, an option that millions go through every year. Some of them are rich white kids that continue their lives afterward. And I can tell for a fact not all of them are raped.

by genwin 14y ago

koide 14y ago

Are you actually recommending suicide to all would be inmates, or just to the depressive HN readers who might be on a tight spot right now? Your comment strikes me as absolutely irresponsible and out of touch with reality. Prison is not a joke, but there's a reason the capital punishment is death. Why increase the sentence on your own?

genwin 14y ago
Suicide is a viable option to what Aaron was facing, no depression needed. His life was all but ruined anyway. Plenty of people chose suicide on 9/11 rather than face something worse. Doubtful they were all irresponsible, depressed, or out of touch with reality. More likely they just made the best choice as they saw it.
- koide 14y ago
  It's a great thing you can tell the future regarding Aaron's life had it continued. I'll ignore the strawman.
  - genwin 14y ago
    Yet you are confident you can predict his future, it seems. I have an opinion about which of two options is better. Of course I could be wrong. Maybe Aaron would sell another piece of a company, enough to pay off the fine/penalties/interest and not be homeless. If it were me I'd jump off a bridge before I'd endure repeated anal rape, let alone everything else Aaron was facing.
    - koide 14y ago
      On the contrary, I don't even know if he would have actually ended up in prison, let alone anally raped. But you are sure he would - before his trial started! Anyway, the main point that has totally gone over your head, is that one should never, ever, encourage suicide. There are people out there with the right type of wrong mood that might get influenced by careless talk. Before you tell me you don't care and it's not your responsibility, please think harder. Thanks.
      - genwin 14y ago
        Trial wasn't a good choice. He could've ended up in prison for 10+ years that way, and probably didn't have the $1+ million for legal fees to have a decent chance of avoiding that outcome. A plea bargain or fleeing to one of the few corners of the world where the US can't grab you were the only realistic choices other than suicide. > Anyway, the main point that has totally gone over your head, is that one should never, ever, encourage suicide. I'm not encouraging suicide in general. I'm saying it can be a viable option, no depression necessary. By being realistic about suicide being a viable option we might better save people on the brink by better understanding their thinking, rather than assume that the choice of suicide is always bad and taboo to discuss.
        koide 14y ago
        Suicide is a good choice, but trial wasn't because you might get a 10 year sentence. Pray tell, what prevents suicide during trial or after conviction? Suicide can be an option without depression, but when you have the fire at your toes and it's either death in 30 seconds by fire or in 5 minutes by free fall (and even then it's arguable.) It's certainly NOT a viable option when you are months or years away of the feared problems, and even LESS so when they are not life or death. Suicide can be talked about but not like you stated it: "He had no choice, yeah, suicide made sense." Especially when you are not being realistic, you are blinded by a weird combination of prescience and intimate knowledge of the happenings inside of prisons. Which leads to my final point (this is what led me to answer your nonsense for a final time): Going to jail IS an option, an option that millions go through every year. Some of them are rich white kids that continue their lives afterward. And I can tell for a fact not all of them are raped.