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>> But also his loved ones near him didn't do enough to help. >You know NOTHING about that and should refrain from such comments. If you suspect someone is go

by logn 14y ago

>> But also his loved ones near him didn't do enough to help. >You know NOTHING about that and should refrain from such comments. If you suspect someone is going to harm him/herself, you call 911 and explain as much. They immediately come and forcibly lock the person in a mental institution against their will until a doctor or board decides they're no longer a threat for suicide. Also, I'm not defending Ortiz in any way. What I am saying is that a lot of people are overreacting. Yes, she's a terrible prosecutor, went way overboard and likely played a role in a young man's death. But to say that he "was killed by the government" (Aaron's father said that) and then for us to focus our anger on Ortiz is absurd. Sure, I can accept the government had a role in his death. But Ortiz is operating within the system that exists, enforcing ToS-violation-is-a-felony precedent that already exists, using multiple counts to force a plea that all prosecutors do.

jacquesm 14y ago
> If you suspect someone is going to harm him/herself, you call 911 and explain as much. Again, you make huge assumptions about the situation. Let me enumerate a few of them: - you assume that Aaron let on he was about to do this - you assume that there was some opportunity to stop him - you assume that Aaron wasn't clever enough to do whatever he wanted - you assume that no such effort was made but failed To make a long story short: if someone really wants to commit suicide they will manage to do so, sometimes right under the noses of those that care without them suspecting anything. > But Ortiz is operating within the system that exists, enforcing ToS-violation-is-a-felony precedent that already exists, using multiple counts to force a plea that all prosecutors do. Indeed. And she chose that role out of her own free will. 'My hands were tied' doesn't cut it with me, we all make our own decisions, every day.

by logn 14y ago

jacquesm 14y ago

> If you suspect someone is going to harm him/herself, you call 911 and explain as much. Again, you make huge assumptions about the situation. Let me enumerate a few of them: - you assume that Aaron let on he was about to do this - you assume that there was some opportunity to stop him - you assume that Aaron wasn't clever enough to do whatever he wanted - you assume that no such effort was made but failed To make a long story short: if someone really wants to commit suicide they will manage to do so, sometimes right under the noses of those that care without them suspecting anything. > But Ortiz is operating within the system that exists, enforcing ToS-violation-is-a-felony precedent that already exists, using multiple counts to force a plea that all prosecutors do. Indeed. And she chose that role out of her own free will. 'My hands were tied' doesn't cut it with me, we all make our own decisions, every day.