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As someone who used to travel extensively for work, I've been through these things dozens of times. I consider myself a modest person and wouldn't walk around a

by jelled 14y ago

As someone who used to travel extensively for work, I've been through these things dozens of times. I consider myself a modest person and wouldn't walk around a locker room without a towel, but I don't see what the big deal is with these scanners. Who cares if someone you don't know who doesn't know your identity can see a blurry outline of your junk? Its like two ships passing in the night. Edit: I will admit trying to avoid them. Not for privacy reasons but because they are sloooow. The line going through the regular x-ray always moves much faster.

epoxyhockey 14y ago
Just a ship passing in the night: http://imgur.com/wQYYi http://imgur.com/wQYYi ( referenced from: http://rupture.co.uk/Terminal%204.html http://rupture.co.uk/Terminal%204.html )
darkarmani 14y ago
> I've been through these things dozens of times... I don't see what the big deal is with these scanners. * They are unnecessary * They are a forced indignity * They are security theater * They should be unconstitutional * They are a huge waste of money Why is it even necessary to ask your question? Do you realize that they feel up your junk if you (doublespeak) "opt-out"? As kids, these are things we thought Soviet Russia did to their people.
lancewiggs 14y ago
And for your 12 year old son or daughter? How would you feel about that?
leoedin 14y ago
I completely agree. The pictures these things produce aren't recognisable as more than a vague outline. I think sometimes people forget that they aren't actually that unique. We're all naked under our clothes. Most people aren't special enough that anyone cares about seeing a pixelated naked image of them. The guy in the TSA booth sees thousands of naked people a day. He's not laughing at you, he's just trying to get through his day. It's similar to how going to the doctor with something embarrassing seems like a huge deal for most people, but to the doctor you're just the nth person that week pulling down their trousers.
- kalleboo 14y ago
  http://rt.com/usa/news/tsa-agent-nude-former-880/ http://rt.com/usa/news/tsa-agent-nude-former-880/ TSA agent: 'We laugh at your nude images, dear passengers' “Things like this are what happens (at the very least) when you put people who are fresh out of high school or a GED program … with minimal training and even less professionalism, into the position of being in charge of analyzing nude images of people in a hermetically sealed room.” Earlier this year, a woman filed a complaint against the TSA, claiming she was forced to pass through the nude body scanner three times so the agents could repeatedly see her naked. Passenger Ellen Terrell told CBS 11 News that she was told by an agent that she has “such a cute figure”, then singled out for a ‘random’ body scan. She was asked to pass through the nude scanner three times and heard the agent talk to the back room employees over a microphone. “Guys, it is not blurry, I’m letting her go,” she heard the agents tell the back room employees.
- darkarmani 14y ago
  > It's similar to how going to the doctor with something embarrassing seems like a huge deal for most people Except the doctor serves a purpose and the TSA is just a jobs program and waste of money. Remind me how many of these caught terrorists per million dollars spent.
  - leoedin 14y ago
    Airport screening was introduced in the US in 1973. In the 5 years prior to this there was 12 major aircraft hijackings originating from the US. In the 5 years after this, there were 2. Airport screening effectively ended the very rapidly increasing number of aircraft hijackings which occurred in the early '70s. There were of course other factors in play, but the sharp drop (1972 saw 6 major hijackings) after the introduction of airport screening is certainly a good indicator of the effectiveness of airport screening. Airport screening isn't completely effective, but it's fairly demonstrable that having a layer of security when boarding an aircraft does act as a deterrent to aircraft hijackings. It doesn't completely stop them, but it does make a difference. I'm not going to defend the TSA as an organisation, but to say that airport screening as a whole serves no purpose is not really based in fact. It's almost certainly possible to bring banned items onto aircraft, and it's fairly reasonable to assume that if someone is dedicated enough they will find a way to cause death, but what airport screening does do is act as enough of a deterrent that aircraft hijacking isn't seen as an easy crime. The rapid drop in numbers post-screening shows that.
illuminate 14y ago
Yes, I'm sure you're glad to show everyone your nakedness unprompted, but expecting all others to do the same regardless of comfort level is a jerk move. I didn't mind skinnydipping with friends, but I don't want to walk around my office or around people I don't know looking at me naked and storing images, as these are programmed to do.

by jelled 14y ago

epoxyhockey 14y ago

Just a ship passing in the night: http://imgur.com/wQYYi http://imgur.com/wQYYi ( referenced from: http://rupture.co.uk/Terminal%204.html http://rupture.co.uk/Terminal%204.html )

darkarmani 14y ago

> I've been through these things dozens of times... I don't see what the big deal is with these scanners. * They are unnecessary * They are a forced indignity * They are security theater * They should be unconstitutional * They are a huge waste of money Why is it even necessary to ask your question? Do you realize that they feel up your junk if you (doublespeak) "opt-out"? As kids, these are things we thought Soviet Russia did to their people.

lancewiggs 14y ago

And for your 12 year old son or daughter? How would you feel about that?

leoedin 14y ago

I completely agree. The pictures these things produce aren't recognisable as more than a vague outline. I think sometimes people forget that they aren't actually that unique. We're all naked under our clothes. Most people aren't special enough that anyone cares about seeing a pixelated naked image of them. The guy in the TSA booth sees thousands of naked people a day. He's not laughing at you, he's just trying to get through his day. It's similar to how going to the doctor with something embarrassing seems like a huge deal for most people, but to the doctor you're just the nth person that week pulling down their trousers.

kalleboo 14y ago
http://rt.com/usa/news/tsa-agent-nude-former-880/ http://rt.com/usa/news/tsa-agent-nude-former-880/ TSA agent: 'We laugh at your nude images, dear passengers' “Things like this are what happens (at the very least) when you put people who are fresh out of high school or a GED program … with minimal training and even less professionalism, into the position of being in charge of analyzing nude images of people in a hermetically sealed room.” Earlier this year, a woman filed a complaint against the TSA, claiming she was forced to pass through the nude body scanner three times so the agents could repeatedly see her naked. Passenger Ellen Terrell told CBS 11 News that she was told by an agent that she has “such a cute figure”, then singled out for a ‘random’ body scan. She was asked to pass through the nude scanner three times and heard the agent talk to the back room employees over a microphone. “Guys, it is not blurry, I’m letting her go,” she heard the agents tell the back room employees.
darkarmani 14y ago
> It's similar to how going to the doctor with something embarrassing seems like a huge deal for most people Except the doctor serves a purpose and the TSA is just a jobs program and waste of money. Remind me how many of these caught terrorists per million dollars spent.
- leoedin 14y ago
  Airport screening was introduced in the US in 1973. In the 5 years prior to this there was 12 major aircraft hijackings originating from the US. In the 5 years after this, there were 2. Airport screening effectively ended the very rapidly increasing number of aircraft hijackings which occurred in the early '70s. There were of course other factors in play, but the sharp drop (1972 saw 6 major hijackings) after the introduction of airport screening is certainly a good indicator of the effectiveness of airport screening. Airport screening isn't completely effective, but it's fairly demonstrable that having a layer of security when boarding an aircraft does act as a deterrent to aircraft hijackings. It doesn't completely stop them, but it does make a difference. I'm not going to defend the TSA as an organisation, but to say that airport screening as a whole serves no purpose is not really based in fact. It's almost certainly possible to bring banned items onto aircraft, and it's fairly reasonable to assume that if someone is dedicated enough they will find a way to cause death, but what airport screening does do is act as enough of a deterrent that aircraft hijacking isn't seen as an easy crime. The rapid drop in numbers post-screening shows that.

illuminate 14y ago

Yes, I'm sure you're glad to show everyone your nakedness unprompted, but expecting all others to do the same regardless of comfort level is a jerk move. I didn't mind skinnydipping with friends, but I don't want to walk around my office or around people I don't know looking at me naked and storing images, as these are programmed to do.