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The bot you posted is almost certainly tougher than the best FL heads up players in the world now. I have been a professional player in the game for 5 years now

The bot you posted is almost certainly tougher than the best FL heads up players in the world now. I have been a professional player in the game for 5 years now, i'm not the best in the world, but i have discussed strategy with some of them. I don't think any would sit down against this bot, and it is not the toughest (see: annual poker bot competition; rubot i believe is much stronger). There is a HU FL cash game machine in casinos in Nevada. You can find it in the Aria and other places, i think. It is rake free (i.e. the house doesn't have an 'advantage'), it is a fair deal. You can go and play it all day 24/7 if you wish. You can play up to $100/200 and $200/400 i believe, and hands are dealt very fast. Despite some failed attempts, you won't find today any professionals sitting there "running rings" around these machines and making bank.

betterunix 14y ago
Sorry, I should probably have been more clear: I was referring to no-limit games. I did not know that fixed-limit bots had become so advanced that they were beating the best human players, although I am not too surprised (I was paying more attention to this a few years ago). Do you happen to know what the current status of no-limit bots is, or the current status of multiple-player games?
- heyitsnick 14y ago
  Well the UoA page you linked to is mostly about HU FL, not NL (Polaris, Hyperborian), but they have now expanded into NL and ring games too. I'm not sure on the theory-side how well they compare to humans; however i do know that cash game bots have been discovered beating cash games, both HU and NL, on online sites in the past.
TylerE 14y ago
But isn't fixed limit a much easier game, generally speaking, than PL or NL?
- heyitsnick 14y ago
  What does "easier game" mean, generally speaking? The game tree is much smaller, for sure, so it is more attractive for those looking to "solve" a (subset) of it. For a human to learn and become an expert winning player? I doubt it.

betterunix 14y ago

Sorry, I should probably have been more clear: I was referring to no-limit games. I did not know that fixed-limit bots had become so advanced that they were beating the best human players, although I am not too surprised (I was paying more attention to this a few years ago). Do you happen to know what the current status of no-limit bots is, or the current status of multiple-player games?

heyitsnick 14y ago
Well the UoA page you linked to is mostly about HU FL, not NL (Polaris, Hyperborian), but they have now expanded into NL and ring games too. I'm not sure on the theory-side how well they compare to humans; however i do know that cash game bots have been discovered beating cash games, both HU and NL, on online sites in the past.

TylerE 14y ago

But isn't fixed limit a much easier game, generally speaking, than PL or NL?

heyitsnick 14y ago
What does "easier game" mean, generally speaking? The game tree is much smaller, for sure, so it is more attractive for those looking to "solve" a (subset) of it. For a human to learn and become an expert winning player? I doubt it.