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Actually that happens a lot.

by Yaa101 14y ago

citricsquid 14y ago
Any examples?
- meaty 14y ago
  Engineers build more than buildings. No designer input: http://www.healthcare.philips.com/main/products/mri/systems/Ingenia30T/index.wpd?Int_origin=2_HC_mri_main_global_en_systems_ingenia30t http://www.healthcare.philips.com/main/products/mri/systems/...
  - citricsquid 14y ago
    Do you have a citation on the no designer input? I can't find any indication (I assume you're familiar with the system?) on that page.
    - meaty 14y ago
      No citation but I know the guys who built it and they're all engineers, computer scientists and physicists. The design portion was "how can we make a case that has the least amount of plastic, is easy to clean and access for service". That's as far as it went. There is no place for a designer as they don't understand how to keep things easy to clean and repair.
      - neumann_alfred 14y ago
        > The design portion was "how can we make a case that has the least amount of plastic, is easy to clean and access for service". That's as far as it went. Are you sure? http://money.cnn.com/galleries/2012/technology/1202/gallery.philips-winning-design.fortune/11.html http://money.cnn.com/galleries/2012/technology/1202/gallery.... "The glowing light ring of this MRI scanner is meant to distract patients from their procedure and sooth their nerves. The entire unit was designed to help improve the workflow of technicians and caregivers." But I have to say, when I asked google images for "mri scanner", with exceptions they mostly looked more or less the same to me, so I guess everybody designs them with similar goals in mind. Now, to make an MRI scanner that looks like, oh I don't know, maybe that plant/vagina thing from Pink Floyd's "The Wall"; that would be truly bold design. And altough I'm not really fond of Giger, he should make one, too. > There is no place for a designer as they don't understand how to keep things easy to clean and repair. Uhh.. ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_design http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_design
  - joelanman 14y ago
    "Our Healthcare designers are passionate about creating well-designed, efficient and people-focused products and solutions across the whole continuum of care. Our approach to healthcare design is based on a deep understanding of the user-experiences of patients, care-givers and medical staff in order to enhance and save lives." http://www.design.philips.com/philips/sites/philipsdesign/about/design/designportfolio/design_for_healthcare/index.page http://www.design.philips.com/philips/sites/philipsdesign/ab...
  - duopixel 14y ago
    There are examples of great design produced exclusively by engineers or scientists. The reason is because good design fulfills a need, and in industry these needs are often technical. When you throw in the needs of human beings is that things start to get weird. Some needs are subtle (how to you design an MRI machine for people that have claustrophobia?), others might seem ridiculous (say, redesigning the shell because the internals were redesigned, just to signify an upgrade). Even then, I think engineers make great designers and even artists. Gustave Eiffel had only built bridges until he designed the Eiffel tower , Joseph Paxton build the Crystal Palace because he had designed greenhouses all his life. And so on, there are many examples of great engineers making the jump to design without much effort and great success.

Actually that happens a lot.

by Yaa101 14y ago

Actually that happens a lot.

citricsquid 14y ago

Any examples?

meaty 14y ago
Engineers build more than buildings. No designer input: http://www.healthcare.philips.com/main/products/mri/systems/Ingenia30T/index.wpd?Int_origin=2_HC_mri_main_global_en_systems_ingenia30t http://www.healthcare.philips.com/main/products/mri/systems/...
- citricsquid 14y ago
  Do you have a citation on the no designer input? I can't find any indication (I assume you're familiar with the system?) on that page.
  - meaty 14y ago
    No citation but I know the guys who built it and they're all engineers, computer scientists and physicists. The design portion was "how can we make a case that has the least amount of plastic, is easy to clean and access for service". That's as far as it went. There is no place for a designer as they don't understand how to keep things easy to clean and repair.
    - neumann_alfred 14y ago
      > The design portion was "how can we make a case that has the least amount of plastic, is easy to clean and access for service". That's as far as it went. Are you sure? http://money.cnn.com/galleries/2012/technology/1202/gallery.philips-winning-design.fortune/11.html http://money.cnn.com/galleries/2012/technology/1202/gallery.... "The glowing light ring of this MRI scanner is meant to distract patients from their procedure and sooth their nerves. The entire unit was designed to help improve the workflow of technicians and caregivers." But I have to say, when I asked google images for "mri scanner", with exceptions they mostly looked more or less the same to me, so I guess everybody designs them with similar goals in mind. Now, to make an MRI scanner that looks like, oh I don't know, maybe that plant/vagina thing from Pink Floyd's "The Wall"; that would be truly bold design. And altough I'm not really fond of Giger, he should make one, too. > There is no place for a designer as they don't understand how to keep things easy to clean and repair. Uhh.. ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_design http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_design
- joelanman 14y ago
  "Our Healthcare designers are passionate about creating well-designed, efficient and people-focused products and solutions across the whole continuum of care. Our approach to healthcare design is based on a deep understanding of the user-experiences of patients, care-givers and medical staff in order to enhance and save lives." http://www.design.philips.com/philips/sites/philipsdesign/about/design/designportfolio/design_for_healthcare/index.page http://www.design.philips.com/philips/sites/philipsdesign/ab...
- duopixel 14y ago
  There are examples of great design produced exclusively by engineers or scientists. The reason is because good design fulfills a need, and in industry these needs are often technical. When you throw in the needs of human beings is that things start to get weird. Some needs are subtle (how to you design an MRI machine for people that have claustrophobia?), others might seem ridiculous (say, redesigning the shell because the internals were redesigned, just to signify an upgrade). Even then, I think engineers make great designers and even artists. Gustave Eiffel had only built bridges until he designed the Eiffel tower , Joseph Paxton build the Crystal Palace because he had designed greenhouses all his life. And so on, there are many examples of great engineers making the jump to design without much effort and great success.