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If by respect for designers you mean recruiting intelligent, productive and talented people, allowing them to have an impact and encouraging them to do great wo

by netcan 14y ago

If by respect for designers you mean recruiting intelligent, productive and talented people, allowing them to have an impact and encouraging them to do great work then I surely agree. Great products have great design at their heart. If by respect for designers you mean feeding the ego of so called "creatives" while indulging in endless bike shed meetings that achieve nothing then I surely disagree. Better lipstick will not make your pig taste any more or less like bacon. This is my position.. yad yada yada

Neputys 14y ago
Same thing goes for Engineers
raverbashing 14y ago
The "bike shed meetings" are usually driven by bosses, not engineers or designers A designer will usually take a briefing and come up with certain (reasonable) proposals. Then the bosses come and begin to tell that they like green, that they should "look like Amazon.com", and that he doesn't get this, that, yada yada yada Not to forget the customer is not the boss but people that go to the website or use the product. It's their needs the designer and engineer should cater.
- yummyfajitas 14y ago
  In my experience bike shed meetings are more likely to be about design than other topics. This is probably just because bikeshedding about a green version of Amazon.com is easier than bikeshedding about backoff/retry strategies or sql optimization.
michaelochurch 14y ago
If by respect for designers you mean feeding the ego of so called "creatives" while indulging in endless bike shed meetings that achieve nothing then I surely disagree. Better lipstick will not make your pig taste any more or less like bacon. Good designers don't fall in love with their work. At least, they don't when under corporate constraint, because they know perfection is neither possible nor desirable. I don't think designers are worse when it comes to bike-shedding than anyone else. I've had more problems with product managers and arrogant bosses when it comes to that.
dkhenry 14y ago
for those of you who missed it yesterday on HN http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/If-by-whiskey
pinaceae 14y ago
awesome, the if-by-whiskey tactic in play. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/If-by-whiskey http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/If-by-whiskey good job on not getting caught immediately. :)

by netcan 14y ago

Neputys 14y ago

Same thing goes for Engineers

raverbashing 14y ago

The "bike shed meetings" are usually driven by bosses, not engineers or designers A designer will usually take a briefing and come up with certain (reasonable) proposals. Then the bosses come and begin to tell that they like green, that they should "look like Amazon.com", and that he doesn't get this, that, yada yada yada Not to forget the customer is not the boss but people that go to the website or use the product. It's their needs the designer and engineer should cater.

yummyfajitas 14y ago
In my experience bike shed meetings are more likely to be about design than other topics. This is probably just because bikeshedding about a green version of Amazon.com is easier than bikeshedding about backoff/retry strategies or sql optimization.

michaelochurch 14y ago

If by respect for designers you mean feeding the ego of so called "creatives" while indulging in endless bike shed meetings that achieve nothing then I surely disagree. Better lipstick will not make your pig taste any more or less like bacon. Good designers don't fall in love with their work. At least, they don't when under corporate constraint, because they know perfection is neither possible nor desirable. I don't think designers are worse when it comes to bike-shedding than anyone else. I've had more problems with product managers and arrogant bosses when it comes to that.

dkhenry 14y ago

for those of you who missed it yesterday on HN http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/If-by-whiskey

pinaceae 14y ago

awesome, the if-by-whiskey tactic in play. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/If-by-whiskey http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/If-by-whiskey good job on not getting caught immediately. :)