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No they don't, they base their attainment on what looks nice or looks to be working. Engineers base it on knowledge, technique and what really works. Do you r

by Yaa101 14y ago

No they don't, they base their attainment on what looks nice or looks to be working. Engineers base it on knowledge, technique and what really works. Do you really think that the world let Architects (form of designer) put down buildings without engineer bureaus thoroughly calculating if the plans are really able? I think not. This world should stop celebrating their extrovert superstars instead of the people that really make this world tick, and stop seeing their shallow remarks as true.

citricsquid 14y ago
and do you think the world would let engineers put down buildings without architects?
- Yaa101 14y ago
  Actually that happens a lot.
  - citricsquid 14y ago
    Any examples?
    - meaty 14y ago
      Engineers build more than buildings. No designer input: http://www.healthcare.philips.com/main/products/mri/systems/Ingenia30T/index.wpd?Int_origin=2_HC_mri_main_global_en_systems_ingenia30t http://www.healthcare.philips.com/main/products/mri/systems/...
      - citricsquid 14y ago
        Do you have a citation on the no designer input? I can't find any indication (I assume you're familiar with the system?) on that page.
        meaty 14y ago
        No citation but I know the guys who built it and they're all engineers, computer scientists and physicists. The design portion was "how can we make a case that has the least amount of plastic, is easy to clean and access for service". That's as far as it went. There is no place for a designer as they don't understand how to keep things easy to clean and repair.
        neumann_alfred 14y ago
        > The design portion was "how can we make a case that has the least amount of plastic, is easy to clean and access for service". That's as far as it went. Are you sure? http://money.cnn.com/galleries/2012/technology/1202/gallery.philips-winning-design.fortune/11.html http://money.cnn.com/galleries/2012/technology/1202/gallery.... "The glowing light ring of this MRI scanner is meant to distract patients from their procedure and sooth their nerves. The entire unit was designed to help improve the workflow of technicians and caregivers." But I have to say, when I asked google images for "mri scanner", with exceptions they mostly looked more or less the same to me, so I guess everybody designs them with similar goals in mind. Now, to make an MRI scanner that looks like, oh I don't know, maybe that plant/vagina thing from Pink Floyd's "The Wall"; that would be truly bold design. And altough I'm not really fond of Giger, he should make one, too. > There is no place for a designer as they don't understand how to keep things easy to clean and repair. Uhh.. ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_design http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_design
      - joelanman 14y ago
        "Our Healthcare designers are passionate about creating well-designed, efficient and people-focused products and solutions across the whole continuum of care. Our approach to healthcare design is based on a deep understanding of the user-experiences of patients, care-givers and medical staff in order to enhance and save lives." http://www.design.philips.com/philips/sites/philipsdesign/about/design/designportfolio/design_for_healthcare/index.page http://www.design.philips.com/philips/sites/philipsdesign/ab...
      - duopixel 14y ago
        There are examples of great design produced exclusively by engineers or scientists. The reason is because good design fulfills a need, and in industry these needs are often technical. When you throw in the needs of human beings is that things start to get weird. Some needs are subtle (how to you design an MRI machine for people that have claustrophobia?), others might seem ridiculous (say, redesigning the shell because the internals were redesigned, just to signify an upgrade). Even then, I think engineers make great designers and even artists. Gustave Eiffel had only built bridges until he designed the Eiffel tower , Joseph Paxton build the Crystal Palace because he had designed greenhouses all his life. And so on, there are many examples of great engineers making the jump to design without much effort and great success.
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- puranjay 14y ago
  And by God are they ugly monstrosities no sane person would want to live in. I should know. I live in India and half the buildings here don't have architects. The result is something straight out of Sauron's nightmares. Engineers are fine and all that, but please, stop putting down other professions. I know the new century has been good to your nerddom, but do remember the people who call the real shots are rarely the people who actually, you know, code.
  - Yaa101 14y ago
    I am not putting down other professions, I just think that designers should not have the same level of respect that engineers have. for instance, You (and I) would not be able to react here if it wasn't for engineers to calculate and refine the process of growing pure silicon and causing a revolution of large scale integrated logics. Or engineers creating the integrated computer network called internet. The history of science is full of examples that show how engineers pave the roads of most areas to enable others (like designers) to build further. I also lamented the fact that mostly designers and others, whos work is much more clear and in the open are celebrated much more than the people that do really important work to make the world go round.

by Yaa101 14y ago

citricsquid 14y ago

and do you think the world would let engineers put down buildings without architects?

Yaa101 14y ago
Actually that happens a lot.
- citricsquid 14y ago
  Any examples?
  - meaty 14y ago
    Engineers build more than buildings. No designer input: http://www.healthcare.philips.com/main/products/mri/systems/Ingenia30T/index.wpd?Int_origin=2_HC_mri_main_global_en_systems_ingenia30t http://www.healthcare.philips.com/main/products/mri/systems/...
    - citricsquid 14y ago
      Do you have a citation on the no designer input? I can't find any indication (I assume you're familiar with the system?) on that page.
      - meaty 14y ago
        No citation but I know the guys who built it and they're all engineers, computer scientists and physicists. The design portion was "how can we make a case that has the least amount of plastic, is easy to clean and access for service". That's as far as it went. There is no place for a designer as they don't understand how to keep things easy to clean and repair.
        neumann_alfred 14y ago
        > The design portion was "how can we make a case that has the least amount of plastic, is easy to clean and access for service". That's as far as it went. Are you sure? http://money.cnn.com/galleries/2012/technology/1202/gallery.philips-winning-design.fortune/11.html http://money.cnn.com/galleries/2012/technology/1202/gallery.... "The glowing light ring of this MRI scanner is meant to distract patients from their procedure and sooth their nerves. The entire unit was designed to help improve the workflow of technicians and caregivers." But I have to say, when I asked google images for "mri scanner", with exceptions they mostly looked more or less the same to me, so I guess everybody designs them with similar goals in mind. Now, to make an MRI scanner that looks like, oh I don't know, maybe that plant/vagina thing from Pink Floyd's "The Wall"; that would be truly bold design. And altough I'm not really fond of Giger, he should make one, too. > There is no place for a designer as they don't understand how to keep things easy to clean and repair. Uhh.. ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_design http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_design
    - joelanman 14y ago
      "Our Healthcare designers are passionate about creating well-designed, efficient and people-focused products and solutions across the whole continuum of care. Our approach to healthcare design is based on a deep understanding of the user-experiences of patients, care-givers and medical staff in order to enhance and save lives." http://www.design.philips.com/philips/sites/philipsdesign/about/design/designportfolio/design_for_healthcare/index.page http://www.design.philips.com/philips/sites/philipsdesign/ab...
    - duopixel 14y ago
      There are examples of great design produced exclusively by engineers or scientists. The reason is because good design fulfills a need, and in industry these needs are often technical. When you throw in the needs of human beings is that things start to get weird. Some needs are subtle (how to you design an MRI machine for people that have claustrophobia?), others might seem ridiculous (say, redesigning the shell because the internals were redesigned, just to signify an upgrade). Even then, I think engineers make great designers and even artists. Gustave Eiffel had only built bridges until he designed the Eiffel tower , Joseph Paxton build the Crystal Palace because he had designed greenhouses all his life. And so on, there are many examples of great engineers making the jump to design without much effort and great success.
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puranjay 14y ago
And by God are they ugly monstrosities no sane person would want to live in. I should know. I live in India and half the buildings here don't have architects. The result is something straight out of Sauron's nightmares. Engineers are fine and all that, but please, stop putting down other professions. I know the new century has been good to your nerddom, but do remember the people who call the real shots are rarely the people who actually, you know, code.
- Yaa101 14y ago
  I am not putting down other professions, I just think that designers should not have the same level of respect that engineers have. for instance, You (and I) would not be able to react here if it wasn't for engineers to calculate and refine the process of growing pure silicon and causing a revolution of large scale integrated logics. Or engineers creating the integrated computer network called internet. The history of science is full of examples that show how engineers pave the roads of most areas to enable others (like designers) to build further. I also lamented the fact that mostly designers and others, whos work is much more clear and in the open are celebrated much more than the people that do really important work to make the world go round.