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Project managers think they are the life of a project, Developers think they are the life of a project, Designers think they are the life of a project.

• meaty 14y ago
  The thing is, without the project managers and designers, the project still gets delivered...
  • hboon 14y ago
    Programmers, product management, project managers and designers are just roles. It doesn't mean that they have to be performed by different people. Without product and project management, the right product wouldn't be shipped on time. Every role is necessary.
    • Kurtz79 14y ago
      Strictly speaking, no. I would say that is possible to have a very basic product without designers and managers, but not without engineers.
      • netcan 14y ago
        Unless the designer or project manager engineers it.
        • Kurtz79 14y ago
          Of course. But that would make him an "engineer", at least in the scope of that project :).
    • meaty 14y ago
      They are just roles, but the OP implies that when the roles are assigned to individuals, there is conflict. This is true. Any software engineer worth their weight is a good product and project manager and knows how not to build something that looks like complete shit.
  • raverbashing 14y ago
    Yes, it gets delivered If it is usable and drives revenue is a different story
    • meaty 14y ago
      It depends if your market is there already or if you need to build a market. If the market is there already, it really doesn't matter if it's usable or not. Enterprise software is a fine example of that.
      • pxlpshr 14y ago
        It's hilarious to me how much you're making sweeping generalizations and acting like the smartest guy in the room.
  • HelloMcFly 14y ago
    Hey look, someone on Hacker News devaluing the contribution of other team members relative to engineers. How novel.
  • puranjay 14y ago
    That is, an unusable mess of a project. Do you want to just create, or create something actually usable?