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how the fuck could they not find a laptop connected directly to an Ethernet switch? What a crock of shit. that laptop should've been discovered within 15 minu

by beedogs 14y ago

how the fuck could they not find a laptop connected directly to an Ethernet switch? What a crock of shit. that laptop should've been discovered within 15 minutes.

xd 14y ago
Last I knew comms rooms aren't generally patrolled on a regular basis .. but then, where ever I've worked the rooms have always been locked.
jstevens85 14y ago
I don't have any idea about how easy it would be to detect a laptop connected directly to an Ethernet switch, but the court documents do mention that Aaron placed the laptop in the closet on December 26th, and it wasn't noticed until January 4th. Perhaps many of the IT administrators were away on Christmas holidays?
ef4 14y ago
You're forgetting the context. The network is open and freely available to anyone. They're not trying to keep anyone out. That's precisely what Swartz's defense team has pointed out -- there was precious little "hacking" involved because there was no defense to hack.
- mpyne 14y ago
  > That's precisely what Swartz's defense team has pointed out Perhaps Swartz should have chose smarter lawyers then, because he wasn't charged with "hacking" but with "intentional unauthorized access" and other similar things. It's not as if he accidentally logged onto an open Wifi and accidentally downloaded terabytes of information from JSTOR, they specifically blocked Swartz's machine multiple times. They may not be trying to keep everyone out but they were definitely trying to keep Swartz out (and they didn't even know it was Swartz until he was arrested).
  - ef4 14y ago
    > They may not be trying to keep everyone out Which was exactly my point. That's why your original comment about "that laptop should've been discovered within 15 minutes" doesn't make sense. Their network model deliberately doesn't care about an extra random laptop, until somebody complains.
    - mpyne 14y ago
      To be clear, I wasn't the one who made the comment regarding whether the laptop should have been discovered within 15 minutes. But in general, it does an individual who was trespassing (in this case, on a network) no good to complain that other people were allowed in. There are exceptions to that for MIT since it's a university, but given that Aaron was both white and male, I don't think he'd have been able to play the minority discrimination card.
smackfu 14y ago
Well, is the laptop on the chair Aaron's or part of the official setup? Cause if SOP was "random laptops plugged into the switches", his setup wouldn't really stand out very much.

by beedogs 14y ago

how the fuck could they not find a laptop connected directly to an Ethernet switch? What a crock of shit. that laptop should've been discovered within 15 minutes.

xd 14y ago

Last I knew comms rooms aren't generally patrolled on a regular basis .. but then, where ever I've worked the rooms have always been locked.

jstevens85 14y ago

I don't have any idea about how easy it would be to detect a laptop connected directly to an Ethernet switch, but the court documents do mention that Aaron placed the laptop in the closet on December 26th, and it wasn't noticed until January 4th. Perhaps many of the IT administrators were away on Christmas holidays?

ef4 14y ago

You're forgetting the context. The network is open and freely available to anyone. They're not trying to keep anyone out. That's precisely what Swartz's defense team has pointed out -- there was precious little "hacking" involved because there was no defense to hack.

mpyne 14y ago
> That's precisely what Swartz's defense team has pointed out Perhaps Swartz should have chose smarter lawyers then, because he wasn't charged with "hacking" but with "intentional unauthorized access" and other similar things. It's not as if he accidentally logged onto an open Wifi and accidentally downloaded terabytes of information from JSTOR, they specifically blocked Swartz's machine multiple times. They may not be trying to keep everyone out but they were definitely trying to keep Swartz out (and they didn't even know it was Swartz until he was arrested).
- ef4 14y ago
  > They may not be trying to keep everyone out Which was exactly my point. That's why your original comment about "that laptop should've been discovered within 15 minutes" doesn't make sense. Their network model deliberately doesn't care about an extra random laptop, until somebody complains.
  - mpyne 14y ago
    To be clear, I wasn't the one who made the comment regarding whether the laptop should have been discovered within 15 minutes. But in general, it does an individual who was trespassing (in this case, on a network) no good to complain that other people were allowed in. There are exceptions to that for MIT since it's a university, but given that Aaron was both white and male, I don't think he'd have been able to play the minority discrimination card.

smackfu 14y ago

Well, is the laptop on the chair Aaron's or part of the official setup? Cause if SOP was "random laptops plugged into the switches", his setup wouldn't really stand out very much.