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As a first guess, MIT students are very unlikely to react to someone causing them trouble by become more sympathetic with the people causing them trouble. Espe

As a first guess, MIT students are very unlikely to react to someone causing them trouble by become more sympathetic with the people causing them trouble. Especially if the message of the attackers is "people who break into the network shouldn't have the cops called on them." (Although we should wait for Hal Abelson's report to find out what happened behind the scenes.)

sliverstorm 14y ago
I think "very unlikely" might be an understatement.
aaron695 14y ago
I couldn't disagree more. These are MIT graduates, highly intelligent people, not some slack jaw locals. They are fully capable to look at the issues and take moral responsibility for the University they are part of. How can an intelligent person support a organisation by being part in it, then take no responsibility for what it does. Yes I know the commoners do this all the time for their entire lives, but being better educated (However you do it) is about moving on from this simplistic me me me mentality and looking at the total issue.
- danielweber 14y ago
  I really hope "better educated" and "looking at the total issue" isn't code for "agrees with me."
  - aaron695 14y ago
    No, it's meant as a 'don't drink the coolaid' and think just because you are part of something you are A. Right B. Don't have to accept any responsibility for the organisation you are part of. If MIT did something wrong and you go to MIT you are responsible for being part of that organisation. No one is forced to go to MIT. Take responsibility for who you support, be it a university, club or a job. If you think MIT did nothing wrong, then say they did nothing wrong. Don't say I'm a member of MIT but nothing bad(= short internet issues) should happen to me cause I'm just one of the many in this organisation.
- pdonis 14y ago
  How can an intelligent person support a organisation by being part in it, then take no responsibility for what it does. Being a student at MIT (or an alum) does not automatically imply support for everything MIT does. That said, I expect many MIT students and alumni to be paying very close attention (as I am) to the investigation that Prof. Abelson is conducting, and what follows from it. And I expect that MIT's administration knows that. But I seriously doubt that this DDoS attack will make any students pay attention who weren't paying attention already.
fnordfnordfnord 14y ago
How do you know that MIT students aren't the ones leading the charge? I wouldn't be surprised to learn it.
pdonis 14y ago
As a first guess, MIT students are very unlikely to react to someone causing them trouble by become more sympathetic with the people causing them trouble. That was my general reaction to protests on campus when I was a student there. I often saw the same general pattern I see here: protests would be highly visible and inconvenient to the people who couldn't do anything to address the issue, and would have no impact at all on the people who could.

sliverstorm 14y ago

I think "very unlikely" might be an understatement.

aaron695 14y ago

I couldn't disagree more. These are MIT graduates, highly intelligent people, not some slack jaw locals. They are fully capable to look at the issues and take moral responsibility for the University they are part of. How can an intelligent person support a organisation by being part in it, then take no responsibility for what it does. Yes I know the commoners do this all the time for their entire lives, but being better educated (However you do it) is about moving on from this simplistic me me me mentality and looking at the total issue.

danielweber 14y ago
I really hope "better educated" and "looking at the total issue" isn't code for "agrees with me."
- aaron695 14y ago
  No, it's meant as a 'don't drink the coolaid' and think just because you are part of something you are A. Right B. Don't have to accept any responsibility for the organisation you are part of. If MIT did something wrong and you go to MIT you are responsible for being part of that organisation. No one is forced to go to MIT. Take responsibility for who you support, be it a university, club or a job. If you think MIT did nothing wrong, then say they did nothing wrong. Don't say I'm a member of MIT but nothing bad(= short internet issues) should happen to me cause I'm just one of the many in this organisation.
pdonis 14y ago
How can an intelligent person support a organisation by being part in it, then take no responsibility for what it does. Being a student at MIT (or an alum) does not automatically imply support for everything MIT does. That said, I expect many MIT students and alumni to be paying very close attention (as I am) to the investigation that Prof. Abelson is conducting, and what follows from it. And I expect that MIT's administration knows that. But I seriously doubt that this DDoS attack will make any students pay attention who weren't paying attention already.

fnordfnordfnord 14y ago

How do you know that MIT students aren't the ones leading the charge? I wouldn't be surprised to learn it.

pdonis 14y ago

As a first guess, MIT students are very unlikely to react to someone causing them trouble by become more sympathetic with the people causing them trouble. That was my general reaction to protests on campus when I was a student there. I often saw the same general pattern I see here: protests would be highly visible and inconvenient to the people who couldn't do anything to address the issue, and would have no impact at all on the people who could.