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I think hellbanning/shadowbanning is the worst thing ever, and needs to be exterminated. If you don't want someone part of the community, then ban them. Shadow

I think hellbanning/shadowbanning is the worst thing ever, and needs to be exterminated. If you don't want someone part of the community, then ban them. Shadow banning just seems to passive aggresive.

pavel_lishin 14y ago
Hell/shadowbanning works. If you ban someone, they just re-register, and you have to hunt them down again. If you close registration, your site slowly withers away. If you verify registrations one at a time, your time slowly withers away. If you charge for registration, you better be SomethingAwful or MetaFilter, or your site will rapidly wither away. I've had to mod a few communities here and there, and while I admit that I'm not particularly good at it, it has definitely taught me that it's mostly a thankless slog.
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- slovette 14y ago
  I fully understand this view, but never sacrifice integrity. The method works to keep the user in the same account, but does little for ethically solving the problem. Hiding the setting from the end user is BS, notification and transparency is a must . And maybe, give an avenue to work out of the status. All of this can be autonomously solved with the result of a whiteboard, some nerds and some code. Policies, procedures, terms & SOP’s are the character of our creations. The personality that defines what we created. It could be the most attractive product of all time, but with a shitty personality the whole things ruined.
- freework 14y ago
  If you shadow ban someone, they will just re-register. I was shadow banned here a few months ago. I re-registered. It did nothing to deter me. What I actually did to deserve the shadow ban I have no idea. Maybe I disagreed with the wrong person? All it did was make me lose a bit of respect for the people who moderate this place. If the mod had actually sent me a message telling me why I was banned, I could have at least learned from it.
  - pavel_lishin 14y ago
    > * If you shadow ban someone, they will just re-register.* An ideal shadow-ban makes it difficult to realize you're shadow-banned.

pavel_lishin 14y ago

Hell/shadowbanning works. If you ban someone, they just re-register, and you have to hunt them down again. If you close registration, your site slowly withers away. If you verify registrations one at a time, your time slowly withers away. If you charge for registration, you better be SomethingAwful or MetaFilter, or your site will rapidly wither away. I've had to mod a few communities here and there, and while I admit that I'm not particularly good at it, it has definitely taught me that it's mostly a thankless slog.

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slovette 14y ago
I fully understand this view, but never sacrifice integrity. The method works to keep the user in the same account, but does little for ethically solving the problem. Hiding the setting from the end user is BS, notification and transparency is a must . And maybe, give an avenue to work out of the status. All of this can be autonomously solved with the result of a whiteboard, some nerds and some code. Policies, procedures, terms & SOP’s are the character of our creations. The personality that defines what we created. It could be the most attractive product of all time, but with a shitty personality the whole things ruined.
freework 14y ago
If you shadow ban someone, they will just re-register. I was shadow banned here a few months ago. I re-registered. It did nothing to deter me. What I actually did to deserve the shadow ban I have no idea. Maybe I disagreed with the wrong person? All it did was make me lose a bit of respect for the people who moderate this place. If the mod had actually sent me a message telling me why I was banned, I could have at least learned from it.
- pavel_lishin 14y ago
  > * If you shadow ban someone, they will just re-register.* An ideal shadow-ban makes it difficult to realize you're shadow-banned.