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Hopefully Gnome 3.6 will be a bit more mature and address some of the concerns people have with it, although MATE is now a first-class package in the Fedora rep

Hopefully Gnome 3.6 will be a bit more mature and address some of the concerns people have with it, although MATE is now a first-class package in the Fedora repository for those who can't stand Gnome 3. Looking at the feature list, there are relatively few blockbuster features, but I'd be interested to know how useful people think the Active Directory support is, relative to support in other Linux distros (or OSX for that matter).

reidrac 14y ago
Fedora 18 includes Cinnamon: http://cinnamon.linuxmint.com/ http://cinnamon.linuxmint.com/ I think it is a very good option if you don't like Gnome 3 but want to benefit from all the new stuff (ie. GTK+ 3) with a more traditional desktop interface.
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- archangel_one 14y ago
  I've just upgraded this machine and lasted about three hours before I couldn't take Unity any more. Cinnamon is a really nice lightweight alternative which still makes a nice and (to me) sensible distinction between applications and instances of them.
- keypusher 14y ago
  What do you mean by includes? It's the default interface, or it's accessible in the repos? Looks really nice and I'm thinking of upgrading from FC17.
  - reidrac 14y ago
    Cinnamon is not installed by default (it is based on Gnome 3 that it is the default), you need to run: yum groupinstall "Cinnamon Desktop" Check the release notes: http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/18/html/Release_Notes/sect-Release_Notes-Changes_for_Desktop.html#idm4145456 http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/18/html/Release_N...
JamesMcMinn 14y ago
Gnome 3.6 is better in a lot of ways, but worse in about as many more. I do wish they'd stop removing features just to make the UI simple (not even necessarily better, or easier to use, just simple).
- rjknight 14y ago
  What are the particularly bad bits? Gnome 3.4 feels OK to me - it happens to be a good fit for the "large number of low-resolution monitors" setup I'm currently enduring, as each monitor can have a separate full-screen app, which seems to be how Gnome wants you to do things. That said, I'm going to be trying Cinnamon shortly.
  - elehack 14y ago
    One thing: Gnome 3.6 is moving farther towards making use of the application menu. Good in general - it was stupid in 3.0 - but it plays very poorly with focus-follows-mouse.
  - JamesMcMinn 14y ago
    Nautilus has had an overhaul, too many changes for me to list them all, but some of the more noticeable ones: The separation of "Places" and "Bookmarks". It sounds reasonable, however you cannot modify what is in the Places menu, so even if the folder doesn't exist, you're stuck with it. I don't have a Videos folder, but I cannot remove it from the sidebar. They've also removed the tree view from Nautilus, I used it all the time, but now it's gone. I need multiple windows to look at the contents of multiple folders at once. I cannot make a new empty file directly inside Nautilus. I could understand if this had never existed , but not why they'd remove it now. The App Menu, or whatever they're calling it, is confusing. Nautilus has a button on the toolbar which seems to cover half of the options, and uses the App Menu for the remaining options. The Connect To Server dialog has been changed, for no reason as far as I can tell. It now only has a text box for entering the URI, no easy-to-use Protocol/Server/Port/Username/Password sections. Typing to locate a file will no longer take you to that file, but instead start a search. I personally hate this, although I could understand why some may prefer this. In terms of system configuration, they've stripped a bunch of options out, again. I can no longer enable horizontal scrolling using my touchpad. You can no longer select a background image which is outside of the root Pictures folder (Non-recursive). You cannot even specify a different folder. You cannot specify the background scaling (Zoom seems to be the default, no tiling, or centering etc.) Problems with are still around: The printer configuration is still a disaster - they seem unable to make it work correctly with networked printers. Space in the name? You're screwed. Still cannot easily disconnect from a wireless network (although the option is there, it's not easy: All Settings -> Network -> Wireless -> click on little arrow next to network name -> Disconnect) Having said all of that, it's still better than Unity (IMO).
moystard 14y ago
Fedora announces a support of Exchange for Gnome 3.6, sounds interesting. Would be curious to hear some feedback from people who tried. The support of Exchange in Linux has always been wobbly.. Davmail has been the best way to do so until now.

reidrac 14y ago

Fedora 18 includes Cinnamon: http://cinnamon.linuxmint.com/ http://cinnamon.linuxmint.com/ I think it is a very good option if you don't like Gnome 3 but want to benefit from all the new stuff (ie. GTK+ 3) with a more traditional desktop interface.

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archangel_one 14y ago
I've just upgraded this machine and lasted about three hours before I couldn't take Unity any more. Cinnamon is a really nice lightweight alternative which still makes a nice and (to me) sensible distinction between applications and instances of them.
keypusher 14y ago
What do you mean by includes? It's the default interface, or it's accessible in the repos? Looks really nice and I'm thinking of upgrading from FC17.
- reidrac 14y ago
  Cinnamon is not installed by default (it is based on Gnome 3 that it is the default), you need to run: yum groupinstall "Cinnamon Desktop" Check the release notes: http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/18/html/Release_Notes/sect-Release_Notes-Changes_for_Desktop.html#idm4145456 http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/18/html/Release_N...

JamesMcMinn 14y ago

Gnome 3.6 is better in a lot of ways, but worse in about as many more. I do wish they'd stop removing features just to make the UI simple (not even necessarily better, or easier to use, just simple).

rjknight 14y ago
What are the particularly bad bits? Gnome 3.4 feels OK to me - it happens to be a good fit for the "large number of low-resolution monitors" setup I'm currently enduring, as each monitor can have a separate full-screen app, which seems to be how Gnome wants you to do things. That said, I'm going to be trying Cinnamon shortly.
- elehack 14y ago
  One thing: Gnome 3.6 is moving farther towards making use of the application menu. Good in general - it was stupid in 3.0 - but it plays very poorly with focus-follows-mouse.
- JamesMcMinn 14y ago
  Nautilus has had an overhaul, too many changes for me to list them all, but some of the more noticeable ones: The separation of "Places" and "Bookmarks". It sounds reasonable, however you cannot modify what is in the Places menu, so even if the folder doesn't exist, you're stuck with it. I don't have a Videos folder, but I cannot remove it from the sidebar. They've also removed the tree view from Nautilus, I used it all the time, but now it's gone. I need multiple windows to look at the contents of multiple folders at once. I cannot make a new empty file directly inside Nautilus. I could understand if this had never existed , but not why they'd remove it now. The App Menu, or whatever they're calling it, is confusing. Nautilus has a button on the toolbar which seems to cover half of the options, and uses the App Menu for the remaining options. The Connect To Server dialog has been changed, for no reason as far as I can tell. It now only has a text box for entering the URI, no easy-to-use Protocol/Server/Port/Username/Password sections. Typing to locate a file will no longer take you to that file, but instead start a search. I personally hate this, although I could understand why some may prefer this. In terms of system configuration, they've stripped a bunch of options out, again. I can no longer enable horizontal scrolling using my touchpad. You can no longer select a background image which is outside of the root Pictures folder (Non-recursive). You cannot even specify a different folder. You cannot specify the background scaling (Zoom seems to be the default, no tiling, or centering etc.) Problems with are still around: The printer configuration is still a disaster - they seem unable to make it work correctly with networked printers. Space in the name? You're screwed. Still cannot easily disconnect from a wireless network (although the option is there, it's not easy: All Settings -> Network -> Wireless -> click on little arrow next to network name -> Disconnect) Having said all of that, it's still better than Unity (IMO).

moystard 14y ago

Fedora announces a support of Exchange for Gnome 3.6, sounds interesting. Would be curious to hear some feedback from people who tried. The support of Exchange in Linux has always been wobbly.. Davmail has been the best way to do so until now.