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> Feminism benefits men as well. It depends on how it's applied, doesn't it? > Patriarchy DOES exist to the detriment to men Thank you for restating my point

• illuminate 14y ago
  "> Feminism benefits men as well. It depends on how it's applied, doesn't it?" Destroying systems of entrenched privilege may not be viewed as beneficial by all men that cling to these systems, no. But equality does provide for a healthier system, if one appreciates women healthy in mind and body. Harping on straw "Feminists" won't improve our situation.
  • derleth 14y ago
    > Harping on straw "Feminists" won't improve our situation. Mentioning they exist is not the same as harping on them. And this points out an asymmetry: Whenever a man focuses on the male perspective of gender equality, people drag out the 'MRA' stereotype. While the stereotypical MRA exists, that stereotype is no more relevant to the issue than the stereotypical straw feminist is relevant to the female perspective of gender equality. Yet, online, in the real world outside of the academy, that MRA stereotype is in constant use. > Destroying systems of entrenched privilege may not be viewed as beneficial by all men that cling to these systems And this is an example. It states that gender equality from the female perspective is automatically equivalent to "Destroying systems of entrenched privilege", which is a courtesy not given to the male perspective on the same concepts. This asymmetry is divisive and serves to perpetuate the pointless hatred that keeps equality from being realized.
  • illuminate 14y ago
    "And this is an example. It states that gender equality from the female perspective is automatically equivalent to "Destroying systems of entrenched privilege", which is a courtesy not given to the male perspective on the same concepts." As I stated, it does by lessening strict gender roles.
    • derleth 14y ago
      > As I stated, it does by lessening strict gender roles. But that's also true of looking at gender equality from the male perspective, yet whenever someone attempts that the old MRA strawman stereotypes get thrown around.
      • illuminate 14y ago
        "But that's also true of looking at gender equality from the male perspective, yet whenever someone attempts that the old MRA strawman stereotypes get thrown around." Generally, it's because MRAs tend to find gains for women zero-sum. There are issues with regards to divorce, child support, and custody that can be discussed, but all these can be addressed as a feminist and do not require "masculinism" as some sort of a counter. There is a difference between discussion of gender and the movement's adherents. http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2012/spring/a-war-on-women http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/br...
        • derleth 14y ago
          > Generally, it's because MRAs tend to find gains for women zero-sum. The stereotypical MRA does. > There are issues with regards to divorce, child support, and custody that can be discussed, but all these can be addressed as a feminist and do not require "masculinism" as some sort of a counter. Your experience might be different than mine. In my experience, any mention of the idea that men can be raped by women, for example, gets shouted down by 'feminists' (you can take that label as you will) as 'hijacking' the 'real' discussion, which is solely about men raping women. Men being raped by men is, at best, a side-show to that discussion. Women being raped by women is similarly absent as a topic.
        • illuminate 14y ago
          "In my experience, any mention of the idea that men can be raped by women, for example, gets shouted down by 'feminists'" Like I said, there's no need to craft Straw Feminists from whole cloth. Make your points without these fabrications.