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> The Manifesto was from an era when the hardware you owned was practically a useless toy, I'd argue that's what we're moving towards.

ynniv 14y ago
Hur, indie programmer humor. People who think that are idiots. We live in a time when you can buy a computer the size of your hand that can do real time image analysis on a couple of AA batteries for $40. A couple decades ago that would be a classified munition with the assumption that one would build a better guided missile from it. Just because that computer in your pocket is polished doesn't mean it's a toy. A toy is a remote terminal incapable of executing machine code outside of drawing letters on the screen. Or a computer that only can remember 16,000 numbers at a time (that's not enough enough space for a crappy, unanimated GIF). Remember War Games, when he cracked open the handset of a payphone and made a free call by touching a soda can tab between the microphone and a ground wire? That was the level of technology not so long ago. Try writing your RoR craigslist knockoff using that. Kids these days.
- chimeracoder 14y ago
  > Hur, indie programmer humor. > People who think that are idiots. > Kids these days. I try my best to keep the level of Hacker News discourse high, but your response is incredibly rude.
  - ynniv 14y ago
    Well, the author (loydb) says otherwise. I appreciate that you ignored everything else I said, tho. To each their own.
    - chimeracoder 14y ago
      No, I've just been on the Internet long enough to know that I have better ways of spending my time than trying to hold a debate with a person who calls me an idiot.
      - ynniv 14y ago
        If you think one pithy remark opens a thoughtful debate, I'm not missing anything. Sorry.
- loydb 14y ago
  ^this++ One of the arguments I make against black hat hacking when I answer emails to (mostly) kids is that there is soooo much available you can do to fulfill your wildest geeky dreams. I'm around 90% sure that, were I growing up now, I would have eschewed cracking and instead be hip deep in some nerdvana corner of the maker universe, wiring cats up for spaceflight or something similar.
  - ynniv 14y ago
    So much of cultural is contextual, and on closer inspection the hero and villan are rarely who you thought they were. I saw your manifesto a long time ago, in a small town far, far away, and it played some part in making a bankers son want to be a hacker. Thanks for that.

ynniv 14y ago

Hur, indie programmer humor. People who think that are idiots. We live in a time when you can buy a computer the size of your hand that can do real time image analysis on a couple of AA batteries for $40. A couple decades ago that would be a classified munition with the assumption that one would build a better guided missile from it. Just because that computer in your pocket is polished doesn't mean it's a toy. A toy is a remote terminal incapable of executing machine code outside of drawing letters on the screen. Or a computer that only can remember 16,000 numbers at a time (that's not enough enough space for a crappy, unanimated GIF). Remember War Games, when he cracked open the handset of a payphone and made a free call by touching a soda can tab between the microphone and a ground wire? That was the level of technology not so long ago. Try writing your RoR craigslist knockoff using that. Kids these days.

chimeracoder 14y ago
> Hur, indie programmer humor. > People who think that are idiots. > Kids these days. I try my best to keep the level of Hacker News discourse high, but your response is incredibly rude.
- ynniv 14y ago
  Well, the author (loydb) says otherwise. I appreciate that you ignored everything else I said, tho. To each their own.
  - chimeracoder 14y ago
    No, I've just been on the Internet long enough to know that I have better ways of spending my time than trying to hold a debate with a person who calls me an idiot.
    - ynniv 14y ago
      If you think one pithy remark opens a thoughtful debate, I'm not missing anything. Sorry.
loydb 14y ago
^this++ One of the arguments I make against black hat hacking when I answer emails to (mostly) kids is that there is soooo much available you can do to fulfill your wildest geeky dreams. I'm around 90% sure that, were I growing up now, I would have eschewed cracking and instead be hip deep in some nerdvana corner of the maker universe, wiring cats up for spaceflight or something similar.
- ynniv 14y ago
  So much of cultural is contextual, and on closer inspection the hero and villan are rarely who you thought they were. I saw your manifesto a long time ago, in a small town far, far away, and it played some part in making a bankers son want to be a hacker. Thanks for that.