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This is shockingly disingenuous. Akin to: "That cop didn't die in the line of duty, he died because medical technology couldn't prevent complications from a r

This is shockingly disingenuous. Akin to: "That cop didn't die in the line of duty, he died because medical technology couldn't prevent complications from a routine gunshot wound treatment". "That guy wasn't killed by the drunk driver. His car was on fire and he didn't get out fast enough". "The drugs didn't kill that junkie. His heart stopped beating and he didn't have a defibrillator handy." You are confusing proximate cause of death with an analysis of contributing factors and causality. I suspect you know this, as a quick comment history perusal shows you seem to follow causal chains in plenty of other cases just fine, including on the topic of suicide. So, what's your real point?

codybrown 14y ago
Wow. No. In each of the hypotheticals you give, the subject does not intend to take his own life. This is not the case for Aaron. There is something very upsetting about blaming the justice department then attempting to cast Aaron as a martyr. What kind of message does this send to young internet activists struggling to make their dent in the world? As you saw in my older HN comment on Ilya. Copycat suicides are a real phenomenon and some raw responses to them, however well intentioned, can make them more likely to occur. Department of Health Recommendations for Covering Suicide. Do not apportion blame. Do not give simple reasons. Do not glorify. http://www.who.int/mental_health/prevention/suicide/resource_media.pdf http://www.who.int/mental_health/prevention/suicide/resource... http://www.scribd.com/doc/126241/WHO-Media-Guide-for-Suicide-Reporting http://www.scribd.com/doc/126241/WHO-Media-Guide-for-Suicide...
- sophacles 14y ago
  Nope, not even close to rational on your part. You can't say that people talking can be responsible for some more suicides, and in the same breath say other people talking (aka the justice department accusing someone and threatening with severe punishment) can't be responsible for an action. You are simply stating "I don't like to think this way, so I'm going to talk a bunch of illogical circles until it's too confusing to notice the cognitive dissonance". Further, you are setting up a false dilemma based on "choice of death". Further still, you are making a slippery slope argument about "how will this affect all the other activists". Oh and the post to health department recommendations is an appeal to authority. Finally, in the hypotheticals I give, 2 involve death stemming from a choice to partake in risky behavior.
  - codybrown 14y ago
    -facepalm-

codybrown 14y ago

Wow. No. In each of the hypotheticals you give, the subject does not intend to take his own life. This is not the case for Aaron. There is something very upsetting about blaming the justice department then attempting to cast Aaron as a martyr. What kind of message does this send to young internet activists struggling to make their dent in the world? As you saw in my older HN comment on Ilya. Copycat suicides are a real phenomenon and some raw responses to them, however well intentioned, can make them more likely to occur. Department of Health Recommendations for Covering Suicide. Do not apportion blame. Do not give simple reasons. Do not glorify. http://www.who.int/mental_health/prevention/suicide/resource_media.pdf http://www.who.int/mental_health/prevention/suicide/resource... http://www.scribd.com/doc/126241/WHO-Media-Guide-for-Suicide-Reporting http://www.scribd.com/doc/126241/WHO-Media-Guide-for-Suicide...

sophacles 14y ago
Nope, not even close to rational on your part. You can't say that people talking can be responsible for some more suicides, and in the same breath say other people talking (aka the justice department accusing someone and threatening with severe punishment) can't be responsible for an action. You are simply stating "I don't like to think this way, so I'm going to talk a bunch of illogical circles until it's too confusing to notice the cognitive dissonance". Further, you are setting up a false dilemma based on "choice of death". Further still, you are making a slippery slope argument about "how will this affect all the other activists". Oh and the post to health department recommendations is an appeal to authority. Finally, in the hypotheticals I give, 2 involve death stemming from a choice to partake in risky behavior.
- codybrown 14y ago
  -facepalm-