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I think the hacker news community is more focused around node.js Ugh, do you have to remind me? The community here is becoming so risk averse I can't fathom ho
by ynniv 14y ago
I think the hacker news community is more focused around node.js
Ugh, do you have to remind me? The community here is becoming so risk averse I can't fathom how they expect to hack by any definition. The Manifesto was from an era when the hardware you owned was practically a useless toy, and learning about computers almost required sneaking some time. The well off were able to take it more legitimately from their institutions at night, but what about everyone else? And what about systems that even the well off couldn't play with? Jobs was adamant that Apple never would have existed without him and Woz cutting their teeth blue boxing (a crime which sadly in modern times would be labeled terrorism, with extradition from anywhere in the world). How far ahead of the game do you really think you can get when you're asking permission at every step? Just don't be malicious.
- dphase 14y agoHow far ahead of the game do you really think you can get when you're asking permission at every step? Just don't be malicious. I wish we could drill this mentality into everyone.
- chimeracoder 14y ago> The Manifesto was from an era when the hardware you owned was practically a useless toy, I'd argue that's what we're moving towards.
- ynniv 14y agoHur, indie programmer humor. People who think that are idiots. We live in a time when you can buy a computer the size of your hand that can do real time image analysis on a couple of AA batteries for $40. A couple decades ago that would be a classified munition with the assumption that one would build a better guided missile from it. Just because that computer in your pocket is polished doesn't mean it's a toy. A toy is a remote terminal incapable of executing machine code outside of drawing letters on the screen. Or a computer that only can remember 16,000 numbers at a time (that's not enough enough space for a crappy, unanimated GIF). Remember War Games, when he cracked open the handset of a payphone and made a free call by touching a soda can tab between the microphone and a ground wire? That was the level of technology not so long ago. Try writing your RoR craigslist knockoff using that. Kids these days.
- chimeracoder 14y ago> Hur, indie programmer humor. > People who think that are idiots. > Kids these days. I try my best to keep the level of Hacker News discourse high, but your response is incredibly rude.
- ynniv 14y agoWell, the author (loydb) says otherwise. I appreciate that you ignored everything else I said, tho. To each their own.
- chimeracoder 14y agoNo, I've just been on the Internet long enough to know that I have better ways of spending my time than trying to hold a debate with a person who calls me an idiot.
- ynniv 14y agoIf you think one pithy remark opens a thoughtful debate, I'm not missing anything. Sorry.
- loydb 14y ago^this++ One of the arguments I make against black hat hacking when I answer emails to (mostly) kids is that there is soooo much available you can do to fulfill your wildest geeky dreams. I'm around 90% sure that, were I growing up now, I would have eschewed cracking and instead be hip deep in some nerdvana corner of the maker universe, wiring cats up for spaceflight or something similar.
- ynniv 14y agoSo much of cultural is contextual, and on closer inspection the hero and villan are rarely who you thought they were. I saw your manifesto a long time ago, in a small town far, far away, and it played some part in making a bankers son want to be a hacker. Thanks for that.
- walshemj 14y agoI think a few Hh participants back in the our day would have had nice navy blazers with brass buttons and wrote COBOL for Computer Asociates. Can we have a HN old farts T shirts for us old timers :-)