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When done deliberately to circumvent blocks, that has nothing to do with "how computer networks and management thereof have evolved, to be transient or arbitrar
by brazzy 14y ago
When done deliberately to circumvent blocks, that has nothing to do with "how computer networks and management thereof have evolved, to be transient or arbitrary in nature".
Nobody who isn't blinded by groupthink or hero worship can deny that Swartz was guilty of a number of crimes. You can debate whether the prosecution was inappropriately heavy-handed given the nature of the crimes, or even whether some or all of those crimes should in fact be crimes, but not that he did commit them.
- JohnsonB 14y ago>When done deliberately to circumvent blocks The blocks weren't necessarily to prevent fraud. Swartz's actions took place in the "open" culture of MIT, and that context matters and should be taken into account before you accuse Swartz of wire fraud. >Nobody who isn't blinded by groupthink or hero worship can deny that Swartz was guilty of a number of crimes. That is a legitimate area of debate.
- andylei 14y ago> Swartz's actions took place in the "open" culture of MIT, and that context matters and should be taken into account before you accuse Swartz of wire fraud. Orin Kerr: > As for unauthorized access, you're assuming that the unauthorized access was to MIT's computer. [...] I don't think thhese objections work if you assume that the unauthorized access was to JSTOR's computer.
- JohnsonB 14y agoIt's his intent that matters, who's computer he supposedly was trying to gain property from only matters once you prove he was using false pretenses. IP/MAC spoofing is not intrinsically a fraudulent activity, and in the context of MIT's campus from where he could access JSTOR, there's no reason to assume Swartz thought he wasn't allowed to do a bit of scraping, IP blocks for low traffic's sake notwithstanding.
- brazzy 14y agoSorry, but that's unmitigated bullshit. He didn't do "a bit of scraping", he tried to download the entire archive. On a guest account at a university he had no relationship with. Over a period of months. He was blocked with increasingly wide-reaching measures and reacted with increasingly elaborate circumvention attempts, culminating with a laptop hidden in a closet. His intent was very clearly criminal.
- Symmetry 14y agoIP/MAC spoofing is not intrinsically a fraudulent activity No, it's not. But doing it to get around people blocking your computer is. Likewise firing a gun isn't illegal, but attempting to hit someone when you fire a gun is illegal even if you miss. Intent figures into guilt and inncense in most matters of criminal law. Swartz clearly knew that his IP address and then MAC address were being blocked specifically. You could argue he might have thought that it was just traffic shaping, but that wouldn't explain the MAC block. EDIT: Clarified by adding 'criminal' in front of law.