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I'm confused - this link seems to be for a petition that's several months old, already past the deadline, and already reached the threshold number of signatures

I'm confused - this link seems to be for a petition that's several months old, already past the deadline, and already reached the threshold number of signatures? And more confusingly, there's no response to it either. Am I missing something?

pdonis 14y ago
I signed this when it was open; IIRC I found out about back then via a link here on HN. Not sure of the reason for re-posting it now.
- femto 14y ago
  To quote [1] "After a user creates a petition, he or she will receive a direct link to that petition that may be sent to friends, posted on social networks, or otherwise shared in order to gain signatures for the petition. If the petition meets a pre-set signature threshold within a designated time period, the petition will become visible to individuals browsing or searching the White House website. If enough users sign the petition to reach a second pre-set signature threshold within that time period, the White House commits to respond to the petition in a timely fashion. The White House may also elect to respond to any petition before it reaches the first or second threshold. Once the White House responds to a petition, it is closed to additional signatures." That last sentence implies that a petition will continue accepting signatures, irrespective of any thresholds or deadlines, right up to the point where a response is posted. Surely that means that there is great value in continuing to promote and sign this original petition? A steady stream of signatures over time would attract attention in the system and demonstrate ongoing support. Eventually it might grow to the point where it is impossible to ignore. [1] https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/how-why/moderation-policy https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/how-why/moderation-policy ---- Addition: Indeed, the signature count is still ticking over (gone from 53136 to 53149 in the last 15 minutes). Listing "popular" petitions [2] shows that the petition is significant, currently ranking #8 in terms of number of signatures collected. [2] https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petitions/popular/0/2/0 https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petitions/popular/0/2/0
  - pdonis 14y ago
    Ah, ok, then it certainly does make sense to repost.
randomwalker 14y ago
That is correct, and many people are upset about the lack of response https://twitter.com/mattblaze/status/290503781093871616 https://twitter.com/mattblaze/status/290503781093871616
- madaxe 14y ago
  It's hard to respond to petitions about real issues, because it requires you to do something. Death Stars, however, make for good PR without actually doing anything.
jacoblyles 14y ago
It hasn't been responded to. I'm under the impression that more signatures might increase the probability of response? If not, should we start a new one? If we start a new petition, I will delete this submission.
- nswanberg 14y ago
  Under "Helpful hints" on the right of this petition: Creating a duplicate or similar petition will make it harder for you to get an official response. Instead, sign and help promote the one that has already been created.

pdonis 14y ago

I signed this when it was open; IIRC I found out about back then via a link here on HN. Not sure of the reason for re-posting it now.

femto 14y ago
To quote [1] "After a user creates a petition, he or she will receive a direct link to that petition that may be sent to friends, posted on social networks, or otherwise shared in order to gain signatures for the petition. If the petition meets a pre-set signature threshold within a designated time period, the petition will become visible to individuals browsing or searching the White House website. If enough users sign the petition to reach a second pre-set signature threshold within that time period, the White House commits to respond to the petition in a timely fashion. The White House may also elect to respond to any petition before it reaches the first or second threshold. Once the White House responds to a petition, it is closed to additional signatures." That last sentence implies that a petition will continue accepting signatures, irrespective of any thresholds or deadlines, right up to the point where a response is posted. Surely that means that there is great value in continuing to promote and sign this original petition? A steady stream of signatures over time would attract attention in the system and demonstrate ongoing support. Eventually it might grow to the point where it is impossible to ignore. [1] https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/how-why/moderation-policy https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/how-why/moderation-policy ---- Addition: Indeed, the signature count is still ticking over (gone from 53136 to 53149 in the last 15 minutes). Listing "popular" petitions [2] shows that the petition is significant, currently ranking #8 in terms of number of signatures collected. [2] https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petitions/popular/0/2/0 https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petitions/popular/0/2/0
- pdonis 14y ago
  Ah, ok, then it certainly does make sense to repost.

randomwalker 14y ago

That is correct, and many people are upset about the lack of response https://twitter.com/mattblaze/status/290503781093871616 https://twitter.com/mattblaze/status/290503781093871616

madaxe 14y ago
It's hard to respond to petitions about real issues, because it requires you to do something. Death Stars, however, make for good PR without actually doing anything.

jacoblyles 14y ago

It hasn't been responded to. I'm under the impression that more signatures might increase the probability of response? If not, should we start a new one? If we start a new petition, I will delete this submission.

nswanberg 14y ago
Under "Helpful hints" on the right of this petition: Creating a duplicate or similar petition will make it harder for you to get an official response. Instead, sign and help promote the one that has already been created.