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Do we care? The next thing he will suggest: let's censor, let's break the web, let's put people in the jail, let's force parents to spy on their children, let's

Do we care? The next thing he will suggest: let's censor, let's break the web, let's put people in the jail, let's force parents to spy on their children, let's take parenting rights from ones who don't. Let's create a police state because he doesn't like porn. His problems with porn is just his problems. I suggest dealing with it.

JulianWasTaken 14y ago
So you got to the end of the article that suggested none of these things and said to yourself "well he didn't say it but I bet he was thinking it"?
- guard-of-terra 14y ago
  That's what actually gets proposed (and sometimes even passed) as laws each time.
  - mattgreenrocks 14y ago
    Aren't you just projecting your own fear here? We can deal with it as comes up.
    - guard-of-terra 14y ago
      Of course I do, that's the point. I can't see how we can deal with things I fear. (Because dealing with fear without treating harmful things being feared seems pointless)
- ownagefool 14y ago
  To be fair it's not the uncommon proposed answer, so if he's not responding to the article specifically, in general he'll probably still have a point for a lot of people who agree with the tone. I'm about 5 years older than the article poster. I haven't had unfiltered Internet since way before puberty, but I knew where my dad kept the tapes and magazines and I've had the Internet connection by the time I was 15-16. Either I was too young to care or old enough to know where to find it. I don't think my parents would have added anything to either of our lives by filtering the Internet connection. They spent enough time trying to push me away from computers, which in hindsight I think they'd admit was folly since it was this "addiction" which I used to dig myself out of a childhood of poverty. Anyway part of that time was used looking at porn, more of it on on-line games and a bit of it learning interesting things. Other than turning into a geek, I don't really think I'm messed up in any special way. We now have two data points running contrary from each other. I see no significant evidence to suggest porn is really the problem it's make it out to be.
Centigonal 14y ago
While I agree entirely with you, another point the author of the article is making is that his problems may be typical in kids growing up with the world wide web at their fingertips. That perspective brings us to a different question: What can we do to ensure safe and positive sexual development in children without censoring the web and imposing our generation's morals on the next?
- guard-of-terra 14y ago
  I don't see anyone asking this question sadly. People who take the banned of protecting children from porn usually do this not from the safety & positivity point of view but from church & "morals" one. That's the most putrid, patronizing and hypicritical kind of people available; moreover, they don't see (or care) the relation of law and its effect (those two rarely match perfectly, sometimes not at all) and naturally they push for the measures I listed. People who could ask this question never get any saying.
- zalew 14y ago
  > While I agree entirely with you, another point the author of the article is making is that his problems may be typical in kids growing up with the world wide web at their fingertips. what the web has to do with it? as a teenager I could buy hardcore porn magazines without any problems.
  - shardling 14y ago
    The answer to this question is contained within the article.
  - freshhawk 14y ago
    Right, and because I could buy reference books as a kid without any problems that means that the web has not enabled me to learn more subjects in more depth in less time and meant that I don't spend more time learning than I did before? Are you really making this argument on HN of all places? That behaviour doesn't have the ability to fluctuate wildly with only small differences in friction (not a pun!)?
- 14y ago
zwischenzug 14y ago
I find it hard to imagine how such a comment could be written having read the article. The whole point of the article was that it was not "just his problem", and beyond missing that point, the poster responds to a straw man not even hinted at in the article. His inability to "deal with it" was the purpose of the article!
- guard-of-terra 14y ago
  I've never seen anyone rallying to help me with my problems, some of which I might not be able to deal with, too.
- thefreeman 14y ago
  What I don't understand is why he assumes everyone growing up during that time is in the same situation? Sounds like he has a sex / porn addiction. I experimented with porn growing up, and certainly saw somethings I wish I hadn't, but I have never had trouble getting it up for a real girl either.
gizmo686 14y ago
What article did you read? He does not condemn porn. He questions what it means to have a natural sexuality when "Sexiness is always constructed — it used to be normatively hot to be fat and pale! " His problem is not that he has "demons", but that "I feel estranged from my sexuality, like it’s somebody else’s." The piece comes across to me as very self reflective, asking '(why) is this a problem?' 'What would I be like in not for Y (porn)', and so forth. I do not see any clear path to a police state (and I like to think of myself as (relativly) extremely biased to seeing a police state).
- guard-of-terra 14y ago
  I don't really blame anything on the author. But it seems to me that winter is coming and we all might be heading to a police state. And I don't see how his article can't be used as a brick in the wall constructed by people not really caring about us (but only about "demons" in their heads") between us and free speech, freedom of expression and sometimes physical freedom. That's what I'm fearing.
  - tsotha 14y ago
    Yep, that's the problem. You start seeing a bunch of articles like this for a few months, and then someone in power will say "This is such a terrible problem, why don't we put some sensible restrictions on porn. For the children."
- illuminate 14y ago
  "He does not condemn porn. He questions what it means to have a natural sexuality when "Sexiness is always constructed — it used to be normatively hot to be fat and pale! " His problem is not that he has "demons", but that "I feel estranged from my sexuality, like it’s somebody else’s."" He's projecting his other issues on pornography, though. All of these issues will continue to exist unanswered long after he abandons porno.

JulianWasTaken 14y ago

So you got to the end of the article that suggested none of these things and said to yourself "well he didn't say it but I bet he was thinking it"?

guard-of-terra 14y ago
That's what actually gets proposed (and sometimes even passed) as laws each time.
- mattgreenrocks 14y ago
  Aren't you just projecting your own fear here? We can deal with it as comes up.
  - guard-of-terra 14y ago
    Of course I do, that's the point. I can't see how we can deal with things I fear. (Because dealing with fear without treating harmful things being feared seems pointless)
ownagefool 14y ago
To be fair it's not the uncommon proposed answer, so if he's not responding to the article specifically, in general he'll probably still have a point for a lot of people who agree with the tone. I'm about 5 years older than the article poster. I haven't had unfiltered Internet since way before puberty, but I knew where my dad kept the tapes and magazines and I've had the Internet connection by the time I was 15-16. Either I was too young to care or old enough to know where to find it. I don't think my parents would have added anything to either of our lives by filtering the Internet connection. They spent enough time trying to push me away from computers, which in hindsight I think they'd admit was folly since it was this "addiction" which I used to dig myself out of a childhood of poverty. Anyway part of that time was used looking at porn, more of it on on-line games and a bit of it learning interesting things. Other than turning into a geek, I don't really think I'm messed up in any special way. We now have two data points running contrary from each other. I see no significant evidence to suggest porn is really the problem it's make it out to be.

Centigonal 14y ago

While I agree entirely with you, another point the author of the article is making is that his problems may be typical in kids growing up with the world wide web at their fingertips. That perspective brings us to a different question: What can we do to ensure safe and positive sexual development in children without censoring the web and imposing our generation's morals on the next?

guard-of-terra 14y ago
I don't see anyone asking this question sadly. People who take the banned of protecting children from porn usually do this not from the safety & positivity point of view but from church & "morals" one. That's the most putrid, patronizing and hypicritical kind of people available; moreover, they don't see (or care) the relation of law and its effect (those two rarely match perfectly, sometimes not at all) and naturally they push for the measures I listed. People who could ask this question never get any saying.
zalew 14y ago
> While I agree entirely with you, another point the author of the article is making is that his problems may be typical in kids growing up with the world wide web at their fingertips. what the web has to do with it? as a teenager I could buy hardcore porn magazines without any problems.
- shardling 14y ago
  The answer to this question is contained within the article.
- freshhawk 14y ago
  Right, and because I could buy reference books as a kid without any problems that means that the web has not enabled me to learn more subjects in more depth in less time and meant that I don't spend more time learning than I did before? Are you really making this argument on HN of all places? That behaviour doesn't have the ability to fluctuate wildly with only small differences in friction (not a pun!)?
14y ago

zwischenzug 14y ago

I find it hard to imagine how such a comment could be written having read the article. The whole point of the article was that it was not "just his problem", and beyond missing that point, the poster responds to a straw man not even hinted at in the article. His inability to "deal with it" was the purpose of the article!

guard-of-terra 14y ago
I've never seen anyone rallying to help me with my problems, some of which I might not be able to deal with, too.
thefreeman 14y ago
What I don't understand is why he assumes everyone growing up during that time is in the same situation? Sounds like he has a sex / porn addiction. I experimented with porn growing up, and certainly saw somethings I wish I hadn't, but I have never had trouble getting it up for a real girl either.

gizmo686 14y ago

What article did you read? He does not condemn porn. He questions what it means to have a natural sexuality when "Sexiness is always constructed — it used to be normatively hot to be fat and pale! " His problem is not that he has "demons", but that "I feel estranged from my sexuality, like it’s somebody else’s." The piece comes across to me as very self reflective, asking '(why) is this a problem?' 'What would I be like in not for Y (porn)', and so forth. I do not see any clear path to a police state (and I like to think of myself as (relativly) extremely biased to seeing a police state).

guard-of-terra 14y ago
I don't really blame anything on the author. But it seems to me that winter is coming and we all might be heading to a police state. And I don't see how his article can't be used as a brick in the wall constructed by people not really caring about us (but only about "demons" in their heads") between us and free speech, freedom of expression and sometimes physical freedom. That's what I'm fearing.
- tsotha 14y ago
  Yep, that's the problem. You start seeing a bunch of articles like this for a few months, and then someone in power will say "This is such a terrible problem, why don't we put some sensible restrictions on porn. For the children."
illuminate 14y ago
"He does not condemn porn. He questions what it means to have a natural sexuality when "Sexiness is always constructed — it used to be normatively hot to be fat and pale! " His problem is not that he has "demons", but that "I feel estranged from my sexuality, like it’s somebody else’s."" He's projecting his other issues on pornography, though. All of these issues will continue to exist unanswered long after he abandons porno.