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No offense, but I think I'll listen to systems thinkers and legal experts rather than philosophers for a little while.

wissler 14y ago
And this is different from the status quo how? How does running to the same group of "experts" who have engineered our social systems help? Note how conditioned the response is: you see a problem with the system, you're conditioned to trust in the system (and its approved representatives) to give you answers. You're part of the problem of course. You and everyone like you. By rejecting philosophy you reject ethics and therefore any possible means of addressing these systematic problems.
wissler 14y ago
I am of course in the minority, but it's not the minority who's created these major systemic problems. We try to point them out and are ignored (and here, downvoted), and you bumbling fools keep doing things that wreck civilization. Inadvertently of course. But good intentions count for zero, you still bear partial responsibility for widespread injustice.
- Yaa101 14y ago
  The problem lies in Democracy, it is not for nothing that it is called the least worst ruling system. The difference between most democracies and dictatorships is that a dictatorship is despotism by minority and most democracies despotism by majority, not often are democracies systems of fairness.
  - wissler 14y ago
    No, it's not with democracy, it's with the values of the populace. If you have a predominately good people, then many political systems can work; if you have a predominately duped and corrupt people, no system can work.
    - dinkumthinkum 14y ago
      If you think that the problem with the U.S. is that everyone is hopelessly enamored with Rorty or other postmodernists, then, I think maybe you are out of touch with "reality" just a little bit. :) I don't think the NRA is going to start quoting Derrida any time soon.
      - wissler 14y ago
        No, I don't think that. If you think that I do based on so little evidence, then you're clearly out of touch with reality, a lot.
        dinkumthinkum 14y ago
        But you're not making any sense.
        wissler 14y ago
        To you. Ergo you ask questions, you don't insert your premises where you fail to comprehend mine.

And this is different from the status quo how? How does running to the same group of "experts" who have engineered our social systems help? Note how conditioned the response is: you see a problem with the system, you're conditioned to trust in the system (and its approved representatives) to give you answers. You're part of the problem of course. You and everyone like you. By rejecting philosophy you reject ethics and therefore any possible means of addressing these systematic problems.

wissler 14y ago

I am of course in the minority, but it's not the minority who's created these major systemic problems. We try to point them out and are ignored (and here, downvoted), and you bumbling fools keep doing things that wreck civilization. Inadvertently of course. But good intentions count for zero, you still bear partial responsibility for widespread injustice.

Yaa101 14y ago
The problem lies in Democracy, it is not for nothing that it is called the least worst ruling system. The difference between most democracies and dictatorships is that a dictatorship is despotism by minority and most democracies despotism by majority, not often are democracies systems of fairness.
- wissler 14y ago
  No, it's not with democracy, it's with the values of the populace. If you have a predominately good people, then many political systems can work; if you have a predominately duped and corrupt people, no system can work.
  - dinkumthinkum 14y ago
    If you think that the problem with the U.S. is that everyone is hopelessly enamored with Rorty or other postmodernists, then, I think maybe you are out of touch with "reality" just a little bit. :) I don't think the NRA is going to start quoting Derrida any time soon.
    - wissler 14y ago
      No, I don't think that. If you think that I do based on so little evidence, then you're clearly out of touch with reality, a lot.
      - dinkumthinkum 14y ago
        But you're not making any sense.
        wissler 14y ago
        To you. Ergo you ask questions, you don't insert your premises where you fail to comprehend mine.