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China may love windows, but they love ipads more. Tablet sales are booming and pc sales are falling. http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/11/28/us-china-tablet-

by Joeri 14y ago

China may love windows, but they love ipads more. Tablet sales are booming and pc sales are falling. http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/11/28/us-china-tablet-market-idUSBRE8AR04K20121128 http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/11/28/us-china-tablet-ma... http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/08/31/apac_pc_sales_decline_china_loss/ http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/08/31/apac_pc_sales_declin...

w1ntermute 14y ago
A lot of Chinese people buy Apple products just to show them off. It's quite common there to buy a Mac and install Windows on it, because they don't like OS X.
- taligent 14y ago
  It is somewhat common everywhere to see people buying a Mac and installing Windows. Not because they don't like OSX but because they need certain Windows only apps. Unlike of course you have some evidence of China being an outlier. Which of course you don't.
  - w1ntermute 14y ago
    > It is somewhat common everywhere to see people buying a Mac and installing Windows. Not because they don't like OSX but because they need certain Windows only apps. Do you have any evidence for either of these claims? Of course you don't. > Unlike of course you have some evidence of China being an outlier. Which of course you don't. Protip: next time, don't be such an asshole if you don't have the knowledge to back it up. > In China, most of the Apple user will be installing Windows OS to their Mac machines. This is due to some major restrictions of using non IE browser. China has dramatically different browser usage patterns than developed countries. Most commonly used Chinese websites have been constructed and tested to work with Microsoft’s Internet Explorer only, without consideration of other web standard, non-IE browsers (Firefox, Safari, Chrome), or non-Windows platforms. A lot of Chinese websites will not shown and worked properly in Safari or Firefox browser. One good example is the support of e-banking , which greatly tied-up with the booming e-commerce in China. Almost all Chinese banks accepted only transactions via Internet Explorer, any type of security packet go along will works just on Windows. Given that IE has stopped Mac development for years now, new Chinese user have to look back at Windows when they get started with Mac.[0] 0: http://micgadget.com/15236/apples-latest-macbook-air-set-to-be-big-hit-in-china-with-microsoft-windows/ http://micgadget.com/15236/apples-latest-macbook-air-set-to-...
- tellarin 14y ago
  From what I've heard, the main issue with OS X is with Chinese input. MS seems to do a much better job there. I haven't tried writing in Chinese in a Mac though, so I can't say much there. But on Windows it works quite nicely (from the point of view of a foreigner trying to learn the language).
  - w1ntermute 14y ago
    > From what I've heard, the main issue with OS X is with Chinese input. MS seems to do a much better job there. I've never heard of this before. Pinyin input is pretty straightforward, and it works fine on OS X as far as I know. Is the predictive engine worse or something?
    - tellarin 14y ago
      Guess so. But I haven't tried it. I'll ask around.
neya 14y ago
From my experience, it's because of this. These publications want pageviews, they'll write anything they want to get it. But here's a more logical reason based on my experience traveling to these countries - In every home, they buy a PC once in every ~3-5 years. Now, the iPads have started to become really common, so everyone wants one too. So, you see a rise in the sales of the iPads. The decline is because the PC you bought 5 years ago (For. ex Core 2 Duo) is still as good and supports a lot of applications. So these users don't have this need to upgrade to a newer system - Because they can already multi-task pretty well. One thing you must understand is that PC's are not mobile phones or tablets where they get outdated very fast - like less than a year or so. Whereas, the PC's utility and already excellent overshoots anything else and hence doesn't need an upgrade every year, atleast not for the average consumer. Also, the rise in the sales of the iPads and the decline in the sales of the PC does NOT necessarily mean that the usage of the PC is declining too. What I mean is that, in this era, almost every house has a PC. But tablets are on the rise. But that doesn't mean people are ditching their PC's to buy the tablets, it simply means they just buy the tablets in addition to their existing PC's. Can you show me one citation that says users are selling their PC's to buy a new tablet? And there lies your answer.
- Joeri 14y ago
  Why would people use PC'S when they can hook a keyboard to their ipad and get the same functionality?
  - neya 14y ago
    Simple - For a PC, the keyboard is something that is a part of the PC itself. For an iPad, it becomes an accessory and also most probably expensive (a good one). Hence it's not a popular option. 2)The actual applications themselves. Most of the PC users are also developers. So let's say I have to use WAMP to install Wordpress or Drupal on localhost. This becomes a nightmare on an iPad, if not almost impossible. 3)The range of applications for PRODUCERS (content producers). Content is King. And content producers are king-makers. So, tell me how can I do something that I can do with Photoshop (advanced editing, etc.), illustrator, 3d Studio max, etc. 4) Performance - a PC is also a DIY machine. If I want more performance, I add more RAM. If I want to do graphics n stuff, I add a high-performance graphics adapter, If I want more space, I add a 2TB hard-disk. Tell me how will you achieve ANY of these with an iPad. The last time I heard, you couldn't even change the battery, unless you were a service technician of some sort.
maskedinvader 14y ago
you must be joking ? your saying the avg chinese love paying 4000 yuan for an ipad than to pirate a windows copy (which is quite prevalent there) for free ?
rprasad 14y ago
Microsoft doesn't sell desktops, so it doesn't care what brand of hardware Windows is running on.

by Joeri 14y ago

w1ntermute 14y ago

A lot of Chinese people buy Apple products just to show them off. It's quite common there to buy a Mac and install Windows on it, because they don't like OS X.

taligent 14y ago
It is somewhat common everywhere to see people buying a Mac and installing Windows. Not because they don't like OSX but because they need certain Windows only apps. Unlike of course you have some evidence of China being an outlier. Which of course you don't.
- w1ntermute 14y ago
  > It is somewhat common everywhere to see people buying a Mac and installing Windows. Not because they don't like OSX but because they need certain Windows only apps. Do you have any evidence for either of these claims? Of course you don't. > Unlike of course you have some evidence of China being an outlier. Which of course you don't. Protip: next time, don't be such an asshole if you don't have the knowledge to back it up. > In China, most of the Apple user will be installing Windows OS to their Mac machines. This is due to some major restrictions of using non IE browser. China has dramatically different browser usage patterns than developed countries. Most commonly used Chinese websites have been constructed and tested to work with Microsoft’s Internet Explorer only, without consideration of other web standard, non-IE browsers (Firefox, Safari, Chrome), or non-Windows platforms. A lot of Chinese websites will not shown and worked properly in Safari or Firefox browser. One good example is the support of e-banking , which greatly tied-up with the booming e-commerce in China. Almost all Chinese banks accepted only transactions via Internet Explorer, any type of security packet go along will works just on Windows. Given that IE has stopped Mac development for years now, new Chinese user have to look back at Windows when they get started with Mac.[0] 0: http://micgadget.com/15236/apples-latest-macbook-air-set-to-be-big-hit-in-china-with-microsoft-windows/ http://micgadget.com/15236/apples-latest-macbook-air-set-to-...
tellarin 14y ago
From what I've heard, the main issue with OS X is with Chinese input. MS seems to do a much better job there. I haven't tried writing in Chinese in a Mac though, so I can't say much there. But on Windows it works quite nicely (from the point of view of a foreigner trying to learn the language).
- w1ntermute 14y ago
  > From what I've heard, the main issue with OS X is with Chinese input. MS seems to do a much better job there. I've never heard of this before. Pinyin input is pretty straightforward, and it works fine on OS X as far as I know. Is the predictive engine worse or something?
  - tellarin 14y ago
    Guess so. But I haven't tried it. I'll ask around.

neya 14y ago

From my experience, it's because of this. These publications want pageviews, they'll write anything they want to get it. But here's a more logical reason based on my experience traveling to these countries - In every home, they buy a PC once in every ~3-5 years. Now, the iPads have started to become really common, so everyone wants one too. So, you see a rise in the sales of the iPads. The decline is because the PC you bought 5 years ago (For. ex Core 2 Duo) is still as good and supports a lot of applications. So these users don't have this need to upgrade to a newer system - Because they can already multi-task pretty well. One thing you must understand is that PC's are not mobile phones or tablets where they get outdated very fast - like less than a year or so. Whereas, the PC's utility and already excellent overshoots anything else and hence doesn't need an upgrade every year, atleast not for the average consumer. Also, the rise in the sales of the iPads and the decline in the sales of the PC does NOT necessarily mean that the usage of the PC is declining too. What I mean is that, in this era, almost every house has a PC. But tablets are on the rise. But that doesn't mean people are ditching their PC's to buy the tablets, it simply means they just buy the tablets in addition to their existing PC's. Can you show me one citation that says users are selling their PC's to buy a new tablet? And there lies your answer.

Joeri 14y ago
Why would people use PC'S when they can hook a keyboard to their ipad and get the same functionality?
- neya 14y ago
  Simple - For a PC, the keyboard is something that is a part of the PC itself. For an iPad, it becomes an accessory and also most probably expensive (a good one). Hence it's not a popular option. 2)The actual applications themselves. Most of the PC users are also developers. So let's say I have to use WAMP to install Wordpress or Drupal on localhost. This becomes a nightmare on an iPad, if not almost impossible. 3)The range of applications for PRODUCERS (content producers). Content is King. And content producers are king-makers. So, tell me how can I do something that I can do with Photoshop (advanced editing, etc.), illustrator, 3d Studio max, etc. 4) Performance - a PC is also a DIY machine. If I want more performance, I add more RAM. If I want to do graphics n stuff, I add a high-performance graphics adapter, If I want more space, I add a 2TB hard-disk. Tell me how will you achieve ANY of these with an iPad. The last time I heard, you couldn't even change the battery, unless you were a service technician of some sort.

maskedinvader 14y ago

you must be joking ? your saying the avg chinese love paying 4000 yuan for an ipad than to pirate a windows copy (which is quite prevalent there) for free ?

rprasad 14y ago

Microsoft doesn't sell desktops, so it doesn't care what brand of hardware Windows is running on.