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Can anyone learn to code?

6 points by jkaykin 14y ago

Hey HN, do you believe everyone can learn to code or are some people just not cut out to be programmers? I would appreciate your thoughts.

syberslidder 14y ago
Some people just don't make the cut, I believe the number isn't small of who can, but it isn't that large either
sonabinu 14y ago
maybe not in every language, but most people can find a language whose logic fits their own.
mb_72 14y ago
I compare it to trying to learn a musical instrument: - most people can learn to some degree - hard work and dedication can compensate for a lack of ability - for those of little talent, their end-point ability will always be very limited - the truly talented can make mastery of their instrument look truly supernatural As not all people should be musicians professionally, not all people should be programmers professionally. It's hard to put my finger on it, but in both cases some people just don't 'get it'. Of course, if you are talking about having fun on your own - writing apps or making music - or 'jamming' code or music with your friends - you can do whatever you like.
- rinrae 14y ago
  how do you define "talent"? what is that "talent" thing you mention? where does it come from? I'm asking because I don't believe in talent, I believe in practice (and everything you need to practice a lot – stuff like dedication and perseverance). That being said, sometimes I'd love to believe in that concept called "talent", because "I've got no talent for music" would be such a comfortable excuse.
  - iamntz 14y ago
    Tell that to Mozart (and other child prodigy as well). He was just practicing for first 3 years of his life and composed some music when he was 4. Right, there is no such thing of talent :) Let's just say some people are more inclined to do some things than others.
  - mb_72 14y ago
    Good question - I guess I see 'talent' most commonly as the ability to quickly turn time applied into results - more talented programmers are productive more quickly in new environments, more talented musicians achieve more with an hour's practice than less talented musicians. I think my own definition of 'talent' would seem to accord with your 'practice' concept.
  - ScottWhigham 14y ago
    Clearly "talent" in programming has a tie-in to things like IQ and memory. While I appreciate the musical instrument analogy, it breaks down on these two elements specifically. I know guys who are "not smart" yet they are amazing jazz musicians - true leaders of the world in that regard. These are guys with probably a sub-85 IQ. Could be they programmers? No, not a chance. They don't have the mental capacity. So "talented programmers" and "talented musicians" have a different type of talent. Both are simply luck of the draw at birth - if you were born smart and with a high IQ, you can accomplish both (music and programming by practice). If you were born with a sub-85 IQ, I don't think you have the option to become a "programmer" unless there is some other element at work (amazing memory, ability to focus, or something else).
mingpan 14y ago
From what I have observed in myself and others, I suspect coding is something that anyone can learn to do. Some people may be particularly predisposed, but for others, effort can go a very long way to compensate. A lot of programming knowledge can be built up in small steps, and I don't think there is any innate pre-requisite for being able to make these steps.
jkaykin 14y ago
Thanks so far to everyone who answered. Some great answers here!
shivrajrath 14y ago
Anyone knowing basic Mathematics can. And anyone can learn Mathematics.
rinrae 14y ago
not an answer, but a comment here: your question suggests that somebody who can learn to code can be a programmer; I don't think that's the case.
lsiebert 14y ago
I volunteer as a tutor in a community college computer lab. I've seen people of all ages, intelligence levels and computer proficiency learn to program. In C, which isn't exactly the kindest language for beginners. I've seen 50-60 year old men without college degrees, guys who work in construction, HVAC repair, physical jobs, learn C. I've taught them how to cut and paste, because they didn't know how. They hunt and peck, and they take awhile to. But they learn. If they can do it, pretty much anybody can.
stevenameyer 14y ago
Programming requires a certain kind of thinking about things and methods of approaching problems. As with anything there are people who are inherently inclined to think about things in this way, but i do believe that anyone has the ability to learn the skills to be at least a half decent programmer. Learning to break down a problem into smaller pieces, recognizing different situations in which something can occur, and being able to determine steps to accomplish a goal are some of the main components of programming and are used be most people on a daily basis to varying levels of success. Now this being said there are a lot of fairly abstract concepts that need to be understood in order to be able to produce clean, scalable code that would be needed at most mid to high end companies. These concepts can be very dense for people to understand as there often are no good real world comparisons for them, and so these can prevent someone from becoming a highly skilled programmer. So can anyone learn to program? For sure. Can anyone learn to program to the level required for a lot of jobs now a days? Probably not.

6 points by jkaykin 14y ago

Hey HN, do you believe everyone can learn to code or are some people just not cut out to be programmers? I would appreciate your thoughts.

syberslidder 14y ago

Some people just don't make the cut, I believe the number isn't small of who can, but it isn't that large either

sonabinu 14y ago

maybe not in every language, but most people can find a language whose logic fits their own.

mb_72 14y ago

I compare it to trying to learn a musical instrument: - most people can learn to some degree - hard work and dedication can compensate for a lack of ability - for those of little talent, their end-point ability will always be very limited - the truly talented can make mastery of their instrument look truly supernatural As not all people should be musicians professionally, not all people should be programmers professionally. It's hard to put my finger on it, but in both cases some people just don't 'get it'. Of course, if you are talking about having fun on your own - writing apps or making music - or 'jamming' code or music with your friends - you can do whatever you like.

rinrae 14y ago
how do you define "talent"? what is that "talent" thing you mention? where does it come from? I'm asking because I don't believe in talent, I believe in practice (and everything you need to practice a lot – stuff like dedication and perseverance). That being said, sometimes I'd love to believe in that concept called "talent", because "I've got no talent for music" would be such a comfortable excuse.
- iamntz 14y ago
  Tell that to Mozart (and other child prodigy as well). He was just practicing for first 3 years of his life and composed some music when he was 4. Right, there is no such thing of talent :) Let's just say some people are more inclined to do some things than others.
- mb_72 14y ago
  Good question - I guess I see 'talent' most commonly as the ability to quickly turn time applied into results - more talented programmers are productive more quickly in new environments, more talented musicians achieve more with an hour's practice than less talented musicians. I think my own definition of 'talent' would seem to accord with your 'practice' concept.
- ScottWhigham 14y ago
  Clearly "talent" in programming has a tie-in to things like IQ and memory. While I appreciate the musical instrument analogy, it breaks down on these two elements specifically. I know guys who are "not smart" yet they are amazing jazz musicians - true leaders of the world in that regard. These are guys with probably a sub-85 IQ. Could be they programmers? No, not a chance. They don't have the mental capacity. So "talented programmers" and "talented musicians" have a different type of talent. Both are simply luck of the draw at birth - if you were born smart and with a high IQ, you can accomplish both (music and programming by practice). If you were born with a sub-85 IQ, I don't think you have the option to become a "programmer" unless there is some other element at work (amazing memory, ability to focus, or something else).

mingpan 14y ago

From what I have observed in myself and others, I suspect coding is something that anyone can learn to do. Some people may be particularly predisposed, but for others, effort can go a very long way to compensate. A lot of programming knowledge can be built up in small steps, and I don't think there is any innate pre-requisite for being able to make these steps.

jkaykin 14y ago

Thanks so far to everyone who answered. Some great answers here!

shivrajrath 14y ago

Anyone knowing basic Mathematics can. And anyone can learn Mathematics.

rinrae 14y ago

not an answer, but a comment here: your question suggests that somebody who can learn to code can be a programmer; I don't think that's the case.

lsiebert 14y ago

I volunteer as a tutor in a community college computer lab. I've seen people of all ages, intelligence levels and computer proficiency learn to program. In C, which isn't exactly the kindest language for beginners. I've seen 50-60 year old men without college degrees, guys who work in construction, HVAC repair, physical jobs, learn C. I've taught them how to cut and paste, because they didn't know how. They hunt and peck, and they take awhile to. But they learn. If they can do it, pretty much anybody can.

stevenameyer 14y ago

Programming requires a certain kind of thinking about things and methods of approaching problems. As with anything there are people who are inherently inclined to think about things in this way, but i do believe that anyone has the ability to learn the skills to be at least a half decent programmer. Learning to break down a problem into smaller pieces, recognizing different situations in which something can occur, and being able to determine steps to accomplish a goal are some of the main components of programming and are used be most people on a daily basis to varying levels of success. Now this being said there are a lot of fairly abstract concepts that need to be understood in order to be able to produce clean, scalable code that would be needed at most mid to high end companies. These concepts can be very dense for people to understand as there often are no good real world comparisons for them, and so these can prevent someone from becoming a highly skilled programmer. So can anyone learn to program? For sure. Can anyone learn to program to the level required for a lot of jobs now a days? Probably not.