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I think you're missing the point vis a vis "fix the machine, not the person". The tactics described in the petition are ingrained in the US justice system. Get
by lutze 14y ago
I think you're missing the point vis a vis "fix the machine, not the person".
The tactics described in the petition are ingrained in the US justice system. Getting rid of a single prosecutor isn't going to change a damn thing because the injustices are systemic, not the product of a vindictive individual.
Like Aaron said, shouting at the gears isn't going to fix the machine.
- dantheman 14y agoI have to disagree, when people realize the risk is personal they'll take care to make sure what they're doing is right. Just following orders is never a valid excuse. Of course we should stop with the prosecutor we should continue on to try and fix the machine, but at the very least if prosecutors know they're responsible for their actions it'll add an additional check to the system.
- edouard1234567 14y agoI think you meant -> "we SHOULDN'T" stop with the prosecutor.
- rdl 14y agoStephen P. Heymann, AUSA, too.
- ole_korrect 14y agoAsst US Attorney Stephen P Heymann (US vs. Swartz) DOX http://pastebin.com/DUgS0QTw http://pastebin.com/DUgS0QTw
- Claro 14y agoIt's been taken down by Pastebin, evidently Pastebin likes protecting assholes, here's another, but I only grabbed part of it before it went down: http://pastebin.com/WvY5RnjV http://pastebin.com/WvY5RnjV
- dantheman 14y agoyep, my mistake.
- Turing_Machine 14y ago"Getting rid of a single prosecutor isn't going to change a damn thing" Pour encourager les autres.
- shiven 14y agoLike Aaron said, shouting at the gears isn't going to fix the machine. But excising the broken, unfit, insidiously malicious gear from the machine will make said machine one gear short of harming the innocent-until-proven-guilty.
- philwelch 14y agoThere are ten thousand gears coming out of law school every year. It won't make a difference.
- rosser 14y agoIt won't make a difference. If engineers started getting sacked for breaking the build, you can be damned sure people would get very scrupulous about only committing working code, whether they're fresh out of school or greybeards. No, it's not a perfect analogy, but I don't think it needs to be.
- philwelch 14y agoIf you did it every time, sure. That's called changing the system. Sacking one engineer for breaking one build and then going back to encouraging all the other engineers for making as many commits as possible, and giving raises and promotions to engineers who make the most commits, while sweeping all the other broken builds under the rug, would just be scapegoating. Just like this is, actually.
- shiven 14y agoJust like this is, actually. No, so not like this, actually. How many software engineers or their professional peers have been nudged, pushed or shoved into committing suicide because of a broken build? No, really? When a person in position of authority is maliciously responsible for driving people to the brink of suicide and then some, they need to be held to a higher standard because of the very position they hold. This episode is not an excuse for a witch-hunt of those in power, but the people who precipitated this episode need to be excised from their position precisely because of the irresponsible witch-hunt they carried out.
- gnu8 14y agoThese prosecutors routinely single out individuals for harsh treatment to "send a message". Turnabout is fair play.
- lesliestahlhut 14y agoShe should be disbarred. My guess is she is just as vituperative and mean to people who work in in her office. She has done far more harm to this country in her mistreatment of Aaron Swartz than she can ever atone for.
- elgatotriste 14y agoI think you are missing the point! The machine is persons'!!!