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Thank god they aren't building more housing in SF - a temporary fix (b/c eventually you'll run out of housing again) to a non-problem. The NewYorkification of S

Thank god they aren't building more housing in SF - a temporary fix (b/c eventually you'll run out of housing again) to a non-problem. The NewYorkification of San Francisco would ruin the city. I talked about it more here http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4815087 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4815087 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4815247 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4815247 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4815537 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4815537

xxpor 14y ago
You are literally arguing for the destruction of the planet when you argue against density. More people living in a smaller space is much more efficient, and therefore less polluting energy. San Francisco might be "ruined" by your definition, but how is it any of your right to tell people what they can and can not build on their land? Zoning is central planning at it's worst.
- temp453463343 14y ago
  > You are literally arguing for the destruction of the planet when you argue against density. Sure cramming people in like sardines makes it easier to make things efficient - but it's very realistic to make less dense populations efficient/sustainable too. Urban developement isn't some kind of ecological optimization problem. There are factors you are completely dismissing, like overall happiness, contribution to the community and the nation as a whole, cultural value generated etc. > but how is it any of your right to tell people what they can and can not build on their land? Are you serious? There is the whole idea of community and sustainability. If a community deems a certain construction project detrimental to the overall health and wellbeing of its members then they can stop projects. If I don't want to live next to a highrise and the accompanying noise, traffic, pollution, I have a say in what my neighbor can build. I'm not personally telling people what to do (because I have no authority). I'm engaging in a public debate over the SF community's values and priorities.
  - illuminate 14y ago
    "There are factors you are completely dismissing, like overall happiness, contribution to the community and the nation as a whole, cultural value generated etc." Which is not created by suburban sprawl, either. You seem to (without support) indicate that this is not possible with denser communities.

xxpor 14y ago

You are literally arguing for the destruction of the planet when you argue against density. More people living in a smaller space is much more efficient, and therefore less polluting energy. San Francisco might be "ruined" by your definition, but how is it any of your right to tell people what they can and can not build on their land? Zoning is central planning at it's worst.

temp453463343 14y ago
> You are literally arguing for the destruction of the planet when you argue against density. Sure cramming people in like sardines makes it easier to make things efficient - but it's very realistic to make less dense populations efficient/sustainable too. Urban developement isn't some kind of ecological optimization problem. There are factors you are completely dismissing, like overall happiness, contribution to the community and the nation as a whole, cultural value generated etc. > but how is it any of your right to tell people what they can and can not build on their land? Are you serious? There is the whole idea of community and sustainability. If a community deems a certain construction project detrimental to the overall health and wellbeing of its members then they can stop projects. If I don't want to live next to a highrise and the accompanying noise, traffic, pollution, I have a say in what my neighbor can build. I'm not personally telling people what to do (because I have no authority). I'm engaging in a public debate over the SF community's values and priorities.
- illuminate 14y ago
  "There are factors you are completely dismissing, like overall happiness, contribution to the community and the nation as a whole, cultural value generated etc." Which is not created by suburban sprawl, either. You seem to (without support) indicate that this is not possible with denser communities.