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I Think You're Fat: The Radical Honesty Movement
- Jd 19y agoThis is stupid fucking shit. (I think the implicit message of the article is that the addition of 'fucking' to any statement makes it inherently more honest, hence the above).
- ereldon 19y agoheh. the guy featured in the article sounds charismatic like a cult leader, with a message as easy to sell as bottled water.
- nostrademons 19y agoAt least you're being honest.
- Jd 19y agoIt was a risky joke. Looks like I am losing some karma for it. Like I fucking care! :P
- andreyf 19y agoI resent you for karma whoring. I wish I'd come up with it sooner.
- sethg 19y agoCf. James Morrow's novella City of Truth (http://www.amazon.com/City-Truth-Harvest-James-Morrow/dp/0156180421/ http://www.amazon.com/City-Truth-Harvest-James-Morrow/dp/015...)
- corentin 19y agoThere is an acceptable line between a world full of Enron executives and a world full of Diogenes.
- euccastro 19y agoAnyway, it is sad that our world is more like the former than like the latter.
- run4yourlives 19y agoaka: The Life Going Nowhere Fast Movement.
- tyler 19y agoas opposed to the conventional: The Life Going Nowhere, Slowly, Movement
- garbowza 19y agoI resent him for creating a "difficult to learn" lifestyle that conveniently requires people to spend $2,800 per workshop to learn. The reason I resent that is because I'm jealous of how much money he makes.
- thingsilearned 19y agoI upped your karma points because I thought your comment was witty, but mostly because we're applying to YC together and Paul Graham says it might help our odds :).
- thingsilearned 19y agoI'm wrong. I upped your points because it was funny and I know you. Doing it for YC points is just the most shallow pathetic and pointless reason which sometimes seems like THE reasons because it makes the other reasons seem like niceties or excuses. I don't think we are our worst thoughts. Sure guys think about sex every 3 minutes but we're not a bunch of women clubbing apes. We respect the people we're with and we care about their interests. We treat them as such. I think honesty in relationships is hugely key, but only constructive honesty. Telling someone only what they want to hear is doing them a disservice. But scratching every itch that comes into your head is equally unhelpful. Criticism is something that needs to be thought out and analyzed before handed out (or received). In my experience initial critical instincts often tend to be based on societal norms, prejudice or other forms of unoriginal thought.
- gwenhwyfaer 19y ago> Sure guys think about sex every 3 minutes but we're not a bunch of women clubbing apes. I dunno, you can see plenty of women clubbing apes in Sheffield on a Friday night...
- euccastro 19y agoTrue women clubbing apes only think of sex once or twice a year. Thinking about sex every 3 minutes proves you have the restraint to stop thinking about sex that often.
- oconnor0 19y agoBesides the issues you have with how he's popularizing/selling his ideas, what do you think about the concepts he's presenting? Are they useful, dangerous, morally superior/inferior?
- gwenhwyfaer 19y agoSounds like someone who's watched way too much House, frankly. It's laziness, just as much as lying because you don't want to hurt someone's feelings is laziness; it's a different path of least resistance, that's all. There are ways to tell people the truth that aren't brutal; tact and empathy are hard, sure, but that doesn't make them useless or optional. Nonetheless, there's a difference between caring about people and caring about people's feelings. The latter is really all about oneself; if you lie to avoid hurting people's feelings, you're really trying to avoid them being pissed off at you. If you don't think someone is able to process the truth, better to say nothing at all.
- euccastro 19y ago..or read too much Dilbert, for that matter. They both capitalize on the fact that honesty is liberating and hence fun. My take on this is that tact should be the default in any relationship, but if you have a true interest in it, you should try and learn to what extent the other person can take honesty, and relax protocols accordingly for a more authentic communication. It takes empathy and tact to do this well. I tend to gravitate towards people with a sense of humour, esp. an ability to laugh at themselves, and avoid fragile egos like the plague if I can help it. Then again, I expect some prudent distance from strangers until I have somehow cued them/welcome them/asked them to tell me their opinions about my stuff.
- gwenhwyfaer 19y ago> It takes empathy and tact to do this well. It also takes time.
- euccastro 19y ago
- portLAN 19y agoThis is why people like dogs better than other humans. They have more tact.
- euccastro 19y agoI myself like dogs better than most other humans for the opposite reason: they're more transparent and less full of it.
- gwenhwyfaer 19y agoI like cats better than humans, because they know to leave each other the fuck alone.
- euccastro 19y agoMost cats have no empathy for anything. I don't like these any more than lizards or flies. They're cute and fun when they're young and playful though.
- gwenhwyfaer 19y agoAs a devoted owner of three of them, I can tell you that you're quite wrong about that; cats are highly sensitive creatures, and have plenty of empathy. They're also amongst the most conscientiously polite creatures around; if one watches cats interact, there are precise and elaborate manners around interaction, and stepping out of line earns a claw in the nose regardless of hierarchy. (Indeed, one of my lads seems to be personally offended by feline rudeness.) I believe that the former traits lead directly to the latter - to be honest, sometimes I think felines have more highly evolved social interaction than humans. Don't confuse prey-defeating behaviour with cruelty, either. Cats rely on their senses and have less-than-wonderful immune systems; getting bitten in the face by a mouse could potentially knock out their ability to successfully track their next prey for longer than they can survive without. The elaborate batting/playing is actually defensive behaviour - she needs that mouse to stop moving before she severs its spine. ++ Indeed, I believe that empathy varies inversely with preferred proximity, both between species and within them. Dogs are pack creatures, and the members of the pack will often treat each other abominably; the incidence of sociopathy in humans skyrockets in inner cities; sensitive beings tend to be more empathic, but also to be introspective, shy, reserved...
- rokhayakebe 19y agoThis shit is fucking truth. I am no saint, but i tell the truth most of the time, when I know it will get me in trouble. I cannot stand fucking liars. It's like being scared of someone or what they are going to do. What you will realize is that by always telling the truth everybody around you will envy you for it.
- gwenhwyfaer 19y ago> I cannot stand fucking liars. Keep your trousers zipped and you'll be fine... Everybody lies. The most successful liars are the ones who can hoodwink themselves - if you can convince yourself that you don't lie, you have carte blanche to foist off any other bullshit you can dream up on anyone gullible enough to swallow it. As a corollary, one should direct most of one's suspicion at the conspicuously honest...
- edu 19y agoAs far as I know, I think that you don't need to use the verb to fuck to tell the truth.
- some 19y agoThird sentence, first lie. Talking about beautiful women, the author says: and maybe if I get divorced or become a widower, I can have sex with them The truth is, he wants sex with them. Right here. Right now. I didnt read any further.
- gwenhwyfaer 19y agoYes, because human motivation is always simple and one-dimensional, and humans never find themselves caught between conflicting goals.
- Tichy 19y agoI think the whole concept is rather flawed in that the truth is usually not so clear cut. For example, when he sits down with the editor, it might be true that he would like to have sex with her, but it is also true that he doesn't want to piss her off by being rude. So which truth wins? I think the human mind should be given a break here: we are not all of our thoughts. The mind should be allowed to think most of what it wants to think, but we are only those thoughts that we decide to act upon.