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I'd suggest you give Mono and MonoDevelop (http://monodevelop.com/ http://monodevelop.com/) a try! It's really good and at least most of the web stuff that I've

by fekberg 14y ago

I'd suggest you give Mono and MonoDevelop (http://monodevelop.com/ http://monodevelop.com/) a try! It's really good and at least most of the web stuff that I've developed have just worked out of the box on Linux (Apache + Mono).

guard-of-terra 14y ago
I don't want to be a second class citizen. I don't want to be a second class citizen ever. I don't want to be a second class citizen. I don't want to be a second class citizen ever. "Really good" is so much different from "The Most Awesome Edition" you get with languages like Java or Ruby. I can tinker with a "Really good" tech on home projects all right (except I prefer Clojure), but not in the workplace.
- mattmanser 14y ago
  Citizen. There is no alternative spelling. Sorry, you just used it so much!
  - guard-of-terra 14y ago
    Thanks for the correction because I always struggle with s/z in that position. It just makes so little sense! :(
- jinushaun 14y ago
  There are real companies out there making real money off Mono. So it's not a toy reserved for weekend tinkering. Enough companies trust Mono to use it in production.
  - guard-of-terra 14y ago
    I'm happy for them, but I'm not going to risk it. The reward is nice but not nearly worth the risk. When adopting Java, you can trust it will just work, but with Mono you have to bet it's going to work, you're not going to run into compatibility problems and tooling will be adequate.
    - jackalope 14y ago
      Java comes with its own problems, especially in enterprise environments where you might be pinned to a single version. There are plenty of insecure JVMs out there that can't be upgraded on both servers and clients, mainly to ensure compatibility or meet support requirements.
      - guard-of-terra 14y ago
        I don't see how it is relevant WRT considering a language/platform for a new project. You're talking about legacy stuff. I don't see how this can't happen to project in any language (PHP? Ruby? Perl? C#?)
  - z92 14y ago
    That's news to me. Not that I disbelieve. Really interested. Can you point me to some use cases? Why do they not just use Windows?
    - gebe 14y ago
      Mostly on mobile I would guess. Xamarin has a showcase on their site: http://xamarin.com/apps http://xamarin.com/apps . Also every game made in Unity is using Mono, which is _a lot_ of games. The Playstation Vita and Wii U uses Mono as well for third party development.

by fekberg 14y ago

guard-of-terra 14y ago

I don't want to be a second class citizen. I don't want to be a second class citizen ever. I don't want to be a second class citizen. I don't want to be a second class citizen ever. "Really good" is so much different from "The Most Awesome Edition" you get with languages like Java or Ruby. I can tinker with a "Really good" tech on home projects all right (except I prefer Clojure), but not in the workplace.

mattmanser 14y ago
Citizen. There is no alternative spelling. Sorry, you just used it so much!
- guard-of-terra 14y ago
  Thanks for the correction because I always struggle with s/z in that position. It just makes so little sense! :(
jinushaun 14y ago
There are real companies out there making real money off Mono. So it's not a toy reserved for weekend tinkering. Enough companies trust Mono to use it in production.
- guard-of-terra 14y ago
  I'm happy for them, but I'm not going to risk it. The reward is nice but not nearly worth the risk. When adopting Java, you can trust it will just work, but with Mono you have to bet it's going to work, you're not going to run into compatibility problems and tooling will be adequate.
  - jackalope 14y ago
    Java comes with its own problems, especially in enterprise environments where you might be pinned to a single version. There are plenty of insecure JVMs out there that can't be upgraded on both servers and clients, mainly to ensure compatibility or meet support requirements.
    - guard-of-terra 14y ago
      I don't see how it is relevant WRT considering a language/platform for a new project. You're talking about legacy stuff. I don't see how this can't happen to project in any language (PHP? Ruby? Perl? C#?)
- z92 14y ago
  That's news to me. Not that I disbelieve. Really interested. Can you point me to some use cases? Why do they not just use Windows?
  - gebe 14y ago
    Mostly on mobile I would guess. Xamarin has a showcase on their site: http://xamarin.com/apps http://xamarin.com/apps . Also every game made in Unity is using Mono, which is _a lot_ of games. The Playstation Vita and Wii U uses Mono as well for third party development.