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Are you trolling? First off, learning C well enough to understand opengl documentation will take you much less time that understanding opengl it self(since you'

Are you trolling? First off, learning C well enough to understand opengl documentation will take you much less time that understanding opengl it self(since you'll only need to read and not write C). You have a problem, people gave you a solution, having separate cl docs for opengl that have THE SAME contents, but using lisp function names instead of C ones(as it was explained, it is simple function to transform one into the other in your head). What the hell do you want? PS I forgot why I stopped commenting on HN threads about lisp. If you read the old usenet, this kind of discussion has been plaguing lisp since day one. People complain, and when given the solution, they just start bitching about something else, avoiding the solution. There are no docs, now the docs are in C, what else? As I've become part of the lisp community, I learned the proper way to fix this, If I encounter deficiency in the lisp ecosystem, I deal with it if I can, and If I can't I politely ask the author/maintainer if they have time to work on the issue. If they don't have the time, I simply accept reality, and move on with my problems. Bitching on HN solves nothing. Honestly, why lisp? Why do people have this supreme need to express their dissatisfaction with a language, with libraries developed by humans in their spare time away from their lives, for free. Be fucking happy, and help out if you care about lisp, otherwise, just shut up!

ludston 14y ago
Why are you angry? It look like you've decided that if people complain about something, those people must be broken and not the system. And why do people complain about Lisp? It's because the syntax is amazing. It's an incredible language to write in. It is more expressive than anything anyone has ever used, but then they can't do anything with that because it takes so much more effort with lisp to do things that are taken for granted in other languages. GUI libraries and frameworks are so easy with C based languages, because they contain powerful tools that I don't have to write myself.
- pavelludiq 14y ago
  GUI libraries and frameworks are so easy with C based languages, because they contain powerful tools that I don't have to write myself. But you DO have to write them your self. Thats just how open source works. Open source isn't about getting free stuff. People had to write those tools, and they did, because they cared. Lisp isn't so great because McCarty made it great, it's great because for 50 years people worked fucking hard to make it great. Standardizing common lisp took 10 years and a shit ton of money. Every library took months or years out of someones life. You get all that for FREE. If you really care about lisp, you will actually work to make it better. You will be one of those who spend their time and money on it. Being one of the countless people complaining on forums impresses no one, only makes your ego feel better, doesn't actually help at all. In fact, it's hurtful to lisp, because curious people might read your comments and conclude that lisp isn't worth it for them, and for some of them, it might be, it certainly was for me. So that is why I'm angry. I'm actually trying to help you and lisp, not trying to insult people. If you care about lisp, you'll make it better, if you don't, just do something else, and be happy with it, if lisp can't make you happy. Complaining is a non solution, and I dislike non solutions.

ludston 14y ago

Why are you angry? It look like you've decided that if people complain about something, those people must be broken and not the system. And why do people complain about Lisp? It's because the syntax is amazing. It's an incredible language to write in. It is more expressive than anything anyone has ever used, but then they can't do anything with that because it takes so much more effort with lisp to do things that are taken for granted in other languages. GUI libraries and frameworks are so easy with C based languages, because they contain powerful tools that I don't have to write myself.

pavelludiq 14y ago
GUI libraries and frameworks are so easy with C based languages, because they contain powerful tools that I don't have to write myself. But you DO have to write them your self. Thats just how open source works. Open source isn't about getting free stuff. People had to write those tools, and they did, because they cared. Lisp isn't so great because McCarty made it great, it's great because for 50 years people worked fucking hard to make it great. Standardizing common lisp took 10 years and a shit ton of money. Every library took months or years out of someones life. You get all that for FREE. If you really care about lisp, you will actually work to make it better. You will be one of those who spend their time and money on it. Being one of the countless people complaining on forums impresses no one, only makes your ego feel better, doesn't actually help at all. In fact, it's hurtful to lisp, because curious people might read your comments and conclude that lisp isn't worth it for them, and for some of them, it might be, it certainly was for me. So that is why I'm angry. I'm actually trying to help you and lisp, not trying to insult people. If you care about lisp, you'll make it better, if you don't, just do something else, and be happy with it, if lisp can't make you happy. Complaining is a non solution, and I dislike non solutions.