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Conflict can always be avoided and, when you lead people, this is your daily job. The blog post serves no purpose to Danielle. It might kill betapunch, but it w

Conflict can always be avoided and, when you lead people, this is your daily job. The blog post serves no purpose to Danielle. It might kill betapunch, but it will die the same. Why would you do that? You just found an opportunity to make something better!!! How great it would be if Danielle used her skills as a CEO to make betapunch understand how f'up their twitter tactics are. As a CTO/COO (not a startup, large company) it actually makes me HAPPY when I turn _bad_ into something better. Changes do not come from sheer force, influence or conflict, it usually comes from understanding. There is pure evil, where changes are impossible and there is nothing you can do, but this is not the case. Edit: Read how jorde reacted to betapunch wrongdoing and, after that, a direct insult. That's a CEO.

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dmor 14y ago
A CEO's job is not to avoid conflict. In fact, I think it is probably quite the opposite. The startups that avoid conflict are usually full of yes men and they usually end up dead, from my experience. Writing this post was probably 10x more helpful to BetaPunch than anything else I could have done, although they seem so belligerent and willfully ignorant of their mistake that I am not sure it will have any impact.
- Skywing 14y ago
  Just some advice. It's not about "not being a yes man". It's about just laying low. There's no reason not to, and all you've done with your responses is make me want to avoid whatever you do, as well. No good can come from this type of crap.
  - drivebyacct2 14y ago
    >all you've done with your responses is make me want to avoid whatever you do I guess you're going to avoid me for wanting to have a dialog about this. But you're right, only your opinion is valid, everyone is equally guilty and no one is allowed to dispute it, else they fear the wrath of Skywing avoiding them.
    - TallboyOne 14y ago
      I know HN is fairly serious replies, but your last sentence made me laugh out loud really hard.
    - jspthrowaway2 14y ago
      There's nothing to be gained from following him around and badgering him because he won't talk to you. You're stooping to his level, which is satisfyingly ironic given the topic. He disengaged you pretty unabashedly, so do the rest of us a favor and stop beating him up over something mindlessly stupid. It reflects more on you than him. Remember how I called you a troll in the past? Bingo.
      - drivebyacct2 14y ago
        I was wondering if I knew the rest of your username. Nice of you to continue to stalk and harass me and call me names. I made two whole comments in this thread (I didn't even realize they were the same person until you said something. I don't keep a black book of users to berate as you do). You just saw an opportunity to harass me some more. Leave me alone. For the third or fourth time. Maybe you wouldn't need so many accounts. You literally contributed nothing except for to try to harass me more. How childish can you continue to be? Your little episode was like 7 months ago before you rage quit HN, it's time to let it go and get over your petty grudge, jsprinkles.
        natrius 14y ago
        I'm assuming this whole thread is performance art to tie in with the whole "don't take grudges public" point.
        drivebyacct2 14y ago
        I have no way of contacting him out of band and he follows me around calling me names about something that upset him months ago. I guess I should be turn the cheek and ignore him.
markdown 14y ago
I'm not sure why you keep bring the title 'CEO' or her job into this. What has that got to do with the price of fish? In this instance she is merely a customer who had a bad experience and chose to blog about it. > As a CTO/COO (not a startup, large company) it actually makes me HAPPY when I turn _bad_ into something better. Changes do not come from sheer force, influence or conflict, it usually comes from understanding. Good for you, but you're just plain wrong here. You think change won't come out of this? Your solution might have been different, but the end result would be that _maybe_ betapinch would improve their communication online. Danielle's approach turned it into a learning opportunity for not just betapinch, but for thousands of other startups that follow HN.
StavrosK 14y ago
While I definitely see and agree with your general point, I disagree with the specifics. I'm grateful to Danielle for calling BetaPunch out, so I can avoid them in the future. She did me a service. A CEO should avoid conflict, when that conflict will serve nothing. Customers email me and call me an idiot, immoral, etc etc for not canceling their subscriptions when I have no way to do that (they're handled by PayPal), and I tell them I'm sorry, even though I want to call them on it, because that won't solve anything. BetaPunch deserved to be called out, so people will know and avoid them in the future. I would like it if more bad actors were shamed, as keeping silent only encourages their behaviour.

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dmor 14y ago

A CEO's job is not to avoid conflict. In fact, I think it is probably quite the opposite. The startups that avoid conflict are usually full of yes men and they usually end up dead, from my experience. Writing this post was probably 10x more helpful to BetaPunch than anything else I could have done, although they seem so belligerent and willfully ignorant of their mistake that I am not sure it will have any impact.

Skywing 14y ago
Just some advice. It's not about "not being a yes man". It's about just laying low. There's no reason not to, and all you've done with your responses is make me want to avoid whatever you do, as well. No good can come from this type of crap.
- drivebyacct2 14y ago
  >all you've done with your responses is make me want to avoid whatever you do I guess you're going to avoid me for wanting to have a dialog about this. But you're right, only your opinion is valid, everyone is equally guilty and no one is allowed to dispute it, else they fear the wrath of Skywing avoiding them.
  - TallboyOne 14y ago
    I know HN is fairly serious replies, but your last sentence made me laugh out loud really hard.
  - jspthrowaway2 14y ago
    There's nothing to be gained from following him around and badgering him because he won't talk to you. You're stooping to his level, which is satisfyingly ironic given the topic. He disengaged you pretty unabashedly, so do the rest of us a favor and stop beating him up over something mindlessly stupid. It reflects more on you than him. Remember how I called you a troll in the past? Bingo.
    - drivebyacct2 14y ago
      I was wondering if I knew the rest of your username. Nice of you to continue to stalk and harass me and call me names. I made two whole comments in this thread (I didn't even realize they were the same person until you said something. I don't keep a black book of users to berate as you do). You just saw an opportunity to harass me some more. Leave me alone. For the third or fourth time. Maybe you wouldn't need so many accounts. You literally contributed nothing except for to try to harass me more. How childish can you continue to be? Your little episode was like 7 months ago before you rage quit HN, it's time to let it go and get over your petty grudge, jsprinkles.
      - natrius 14y ago
        I'm assuming this whole thread is performance art to tie in with the whole "don't take grudges public" point.
        drivebyacct2 14y ago
        I have no way of contacting him out of band and he follows me around calling me names about something that upset him months ago. I guess I should be turn the cheek and ignore him.

markdown 14y ago

I'm not sure why you keep bring the title 'CEO' or her job into this. What has that got to do with the price of fish? In this instance she is merely a customer who had a bad experience and chose to blog about it. > As a CTO/COO (not a startup, large company) it actually makes me HAPPY when I turn _bad_ into something better. Changes do not come from sheer force, influence or conflict, it usually comes from understanding. Good for you, but you're just plain wrong here. You think change won't come out of this? Your solution might have been different, but the end result would be that _maybe_ betapinch would improve their communication online. Danielle's approach turned it into a learning opportunity for not just betapinch, but for thousands of other startups that follow HN.

StavrosK 14y ago

While I definitely see and agree with your general point, I disagree with the specifics. I'm grateful to Danielle for calling BetaPunch out, so I can avoid them in the future. She did me a service. A CEO should avoid conflict, when that conflict will serve nothing. Customers email me and call me an idiot, immoral, etc etc for not canceling their subscriptions when I have no way to do that (they're handled by PayPal), and I tell them I'm sorry, even though I want to call them on it, because that won't solve anything. BetaPunch deserved to be called out, so people will know and avoid them in the future. I would like it if more bad actors were shamed, as keeping silent only encourages their behaviour.