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Google invests $200M in Texas wind farm

50 points by akos 14y ago

andrewfelix 14y ago
These guys are really betting against dirty energy. Google could eventually become the Rockefeller of renewable energy.
- w1ntermute 14y ago
  Where else has Google bet on renewable energy/against dirty energy?
  - turing 14y ago
    -$200 million in a 161 MW wind farm in Oldham County, Texas -$75 million in a 50 MW wind farm in Rippey, Iowa -$94 million in a portfolio of four solar photovoltaic (PV) projects being built by Recurrent Energy near Sacramento, California -$75 million to create a fund with Clean Power Finance that will help up to 3,000 homeowners go solar -$280 million in SolarCity for residential solar -$168 million into Brightsource's solar project, Ivanpah, in California’s Mojave Desert -37.5% equity stake in the early-stage development of the Atlantic Wind Connection backbone, a project to build a superhighway transmission infrastructure for clean, reliable energy off the Mid-Atlantic coast -$157 million in two projects totaling 270 MW at the Alta Wind Energy Center -$100 million into Shepherd’s Flat, the world’s largest wind farm at 845 MW -$38.8 million in two wind farms in North Dakota that generate 169.5 MW of power -€3.5 million (approximately $5 million for a 49 percent equity stake in the project) in a recently completed solar facility in Brandenburg, Germany http://www.google.com/green/energy/investments/ http://www.google.com/green/energy/investments/
- tvladeck 14y ago
  This is not a bet for / against anything. This is an investment into tax equity. Because Google has large tax liabilities, they can deploy tax equity more efficiently than most investors. That's why they're in this game -- and I'm glad that they are.
  - andrewfelix 14y ago
    Then why specifically renewable energy and not, say corn?
    - tvladeck 14y ago
      I'm not sure about investing in corn, but these are the credits that i'm speaking of -- and they apply to renewable energy. http://dsireusa.org/incentives/incentive.cfm?Incentive_Code=US02F&re=1&ee=1 http://dsireusa.org/incentives/incentive.cfm?Incentive_Code=... http://dsireusa.org/incentives/incentive.cfm?Incentive_Code=US13F&re=1&ee=1 http://dsireusa.org/incentives/incentive.cfm?Incentive_Code=...
  - obxerve 14y ago
    Me too. And I think there is a marketing angle to it. When their green energy output rises to the point of their search infrastrucutre consumption level, they can use that as marketing ammunition. Would you rather search on carbon-powered search engine or green-powered Google search? At their scale, even a tiny percentage point rise / defended in market share will add up over time to recoup (part of) the investment.
JoshHenryKatz 14y ago
Vertical integration at its finest.
tokenadult 14y ago
Just another way that government subsidies help the rich get richer. AFTER EDIT: Yes, I see the downvote, and I'm willing to discuss the facts with you. Do you seriously think Google or anybody would invest in that wind farm without serious government incentives behind the investment? And if the tax-policy-favored investment is in a high-capital physical plant like a wind farm, isn't that an investment that's not easy to make for investors who have little capital? A big wind farm is inherently linked into the power grid, and doesn't help you or me get off the grid. Some sources that prompt my curiosity about these policies: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/12/business/energy-environment/a-cornucopia-of-help-for-renewable-energy.html http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/12/business/energy-environmen... http://money.cnn.com/2012/03/07/news/economy/energy-subsidies/index.htm http://money.cnn.com/2012/03/07/news/economy/energy-subsidie... http://www.economist.com/node/21556904 http://www.economist.com/node/21556904 http://www.economist.com/debate/overview/217 http://www.economist.com/debate/overview/217 http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390443659204577575203384685874.html http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000087239639044365920457757... http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444032404578008183300454400.html http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000087239639044403240457800... For balance, critiques of other government subsidies for other industries (surely disfavored by Google): http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=making-renewable-energies-competitive http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=making-rene... http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2012-10-21/when-it-comes-to-government-subsidies-dirty-energy-still-cleans-up http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2012-10-21/when-it-come...
- ghshephard 14y ago
  The subsidies aren't there to make anyone richer/more equal/etc... They are there to get scales of economy developing in Renewable Energy such that the price comes down. It's been extraordinarily effective in Solar. The only rational reason to make these investments as a society is if we believe that Petroleum/Coal/Nuclear based energy has externialities (or present-value-risk-adjusted externialities) - I.E. Climate Change, Pollution, Nuclear Disaster, etc... that exceed the cost of these subsidies. I've often wondered whether the deaths of Solar Panel installers, Visual/Noise polution of Wind Farms, and environmental havoc resulting from hydro electric facilities are factored into these equations when subsidies are being handed out.
bifftannen 14y ago
Please don't invest money in this hellhole.
jayfuerstenberg 14y ago
Motives aside, I'm glad to see more power coming from solar and wind.

50 points by akos 14y ago

andrewfelix 14y ago

These guys are really betting against dirty energy. Google could eventually become the Rockefeller of renewable energy.

w1ntermute 14y ago
Where else has Google bet on renewable energy/against dirty energy?
- turing 14y ago
  -$200 million in a 161 MW wind farm in Oldham County, Texas -$75 million in a 50 MW wind farm in Rippey, Iowa -$94 million in a portfolio of four solar photovoltaic (PV) projects being built by Recurrent Energy near Sacramento, California -$75 million to create a fund with Clean Power Finance that will help up to 3,000 homeowners go solar -$280 million in SolarCity for residential solar -$168 million into Brightsource's solar project, Ivanpah, in California’s Mojave Desert -37.5% equity stake in the early-stage development of the Atlantic Wind Connection backbone, a project to build a superhighway transmission infrastructure for clean, reliable energy off the Mid-Atlantic coast -$157 million in two projects totaling 270 MW at the Alta Wind Energy Center -$100 million into Shepherd’s Flat, the world’s largest wind farm at 845 MW -$38.8 million in two wind farms in North Dakota that generate 169.5 MW of power -€3.5 million (approximately $5 million for a 49 percent equity stake in the project) in a recently completed solar facility in Brandenburg, Germany http://www.google.com/green/energy/investments/ http://www.google.com/green/energy/investments/
tvladeck 14y ago
This is not a bet for / against anything. This is an investment into tax equity. Because Google has large tax liabilities, they can deploy tax equity more efficiently than most investors. That's why they're in this game -- and I'm glad that they are.
- andrewfelix 14y ago
  Then why specifically renewable energy and not, say corn?
  - tvladeck 14y ago
    I'm not sure about investing in corn, but these are the credits that i'm speaking of -- and they apply to renewable energy. http://dsireusa.org/incentives/incentive.cfm?Incentive_Code=US02F&re=1&ee=1 http://dsireusa.org/incentives/incentive.cfm?Incentive_Code=... http://dsireusa.org/incentives/incentive.cfm?Incentive_Code=US13F&re=1&ee=1 http://dsireusa.org/incentives/incentive.cfm?Incentive_Code=...
- obxerve 14y ago
  Me too. And I think there is a marketing angle to it. When their green energy output rises to the point of their search infrastrucutre consumption level, they can use that as marketing ammunition. Would you rather search on carbon-powered search engine or green-powered Google search? At their scale, even a tiny percentage point rise / defended in market share will add up over time to recoup (part of) the investment.

JoshHenryKatz 14y ago

Vertical integration at its finest.

tokenadult 14y ago

Just another way that government subsidies help the rich get richer. AFTER EDIT: Yes, I see the downvote, and I'm willing to discuss the facts with you. Do you seriously think Google or anybody would invest in that wind farm without serious government incentives behind the investment? And if the tax-policy-favored investment is in a high-capital physical plant like a wind farm, isn't that an investment that's not easy to make for investors who have little capital? A big wind farm is inherently linked into the power grid, and doesn't help you or me get off the grid. Some sources that prompt my curiosity about these policies: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/12/business/energy-environment/a-cornucopia-of-help-for-renewable-energy.html http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/12/business/energy-environmen... http://money.cnn.com/2012/03/07/news/economy/energy-subsidies/index.htm http://money.cnn.com/2012/03/07/news/economy/energy-subsidie... http://www.economist.com/node/21556904 http://www.economist.com/node/21556904 http://www.economist.com/debate/overview/217 http://www.economist.com/debate/overview/217 http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390443659204577575203384685874.html http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000087239639044365920457757... http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444032404578008183300454400.html http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000087239639044403240457800... For balance, critiques of other government subsidies for other industries (surely disfavored by Google): http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=making-renewable-energies-competitive http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=making-rene... http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2012-10-21/when-it-comes-to-government-subsidies-dirty-energy-still-cleans-up http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2012-10-21/when-it-come...

ghshephard 14y ago
The subsidies aren't there to make anyone richer/more equal/etc... They are there to get scales of economy developing in Renewable Energy such that the price comes down. It's been extraordinarily effective in Solar. The only rational reason to make these investments as a society is if we believe that Petroleum/Coal/Nuclear based energy has externialities (or present-value-risk-adjusted externialities) - I.E. Climate Change, Pollution, Nuclear Disaster, etc... that exceed the cost of these subsidies. I've often wondered whether the deaths of Solar Panel installers, Visual/Noise polution of Wind Farms, and environmental havoc resulting from hydro electric facilities are factored into these equations when subsidies are being handed out.

bifftannen 14y ago

Please don't invest money in this hellhole.

jayfuerstenberg 14y ago

Motives aside, I'm glad to see more power coming from solar and wind.