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"Somewhat better than say Northern Virginia, but by a hair." In my experience of 2011 (visiting Santa Clara), quite a lot better than NoVA (where I lived at th

"Somewhat better than say Northern Virginia, but by a hair." In my experience of 2011 (visiting Santa Clara), quite a lot better than NoVA (where I lived at the time), but for the opposite reason than I think you'd say: everything in the Valley seemed open and spread out and inviting, rather than crowded and dirty, like NoVA feels. NoVA is just a step above cities I've been in, such as DC and NYC; the Valley is much more relaxing.

rayiner 14y ago
Are you talking about Arlington/Alexandria or "real Northern Virginia" (Vienna, Tyson's Corner, etc)? The former are really just part of D.C. They are as densely populated as the city proper, and were legally part of D.C. until Virginia took the land back right before the Civil War. Arlington is where D.C.'s high-rises are (as a result of the stupid building height restriction in the city proper) and is well-integrated into the city's subway network. Of course, Alexandria and Arlington are also the only tolerable places in Northern Virginia.
- EvanKelly 14y ago
  As a native Richmonder, I take umbrage to this comment. I haven't lived in Richmond for a long time, but every time I go back, the better it seems to get. It's got a burgeoning cultural scene (music,food), and a beautiful river running directly through the city.
  - rayiner 14y ago
    Fixed! Richmond does indeed seem on the upswing. I started visiting it more recently, since I have a friend from there, and I swear it didn't look like this when I was growing up: http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3193/2701624794_d30b623cfa_z.jpg http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3193/2701624794_d30b623cfa_z.j....
  - firefoxman1 14y ago
    I agree, Richmond is a great city and Charlottesville in my opinion is more tolerable than northern VA.
- oinksoft 14y ago
  It's pretty patronizing, as a Virginian, to hear somebody say that Alexandria is an extension of DC. Alexandria far predates DC and there was strong opposition to its integration (Arlington didn't exist at the time; the entirety of Arlington County was part of Alexandria). Also, perhaps you find Arlington/Alexandria to be the only "tolerable" places in Northern Virginia because they are the only urban parts of this area. If you care about fishing more than clubbing, there are far more desirable places to be (not to say I don't do some great fishing here in Alexandria myself).
  - amorphid 14y ago
    Well, you educated at least one person :) I will stop calling Alexandria DC. My dad lives there, but I tell myself he lives in DC and not NoVa.
    - rayiner 14y ago
      I grew up in Vienna/Mclean, and honestly everyone I know from there says they grew up in D.C. They might admit they grew up in the "D.C. suburbs" if prodded. Regardless of the underlying political divisions, northern virginia is today merely a suburban outgrowth of D.C.
      - oinksoft 14y ago
        Nobody is denying that northern Virginia is part of the DC Metro area. That doesn't make it magically not Virginian any more than it makes Prince George's county, etc. not part of Maryland. Your friends would say they were from DC, or the DC area, because that is accurate. Also, DC being a notable city, this is more recognizable to folks not from around here. I say I'm from Virginia because that's accurate and just as recognizable. But some people like to say they're from a big city even if they grew up far outside of it ... to each their own. Growing up in DC is a decidedly different experience from growing up in any part of Virginia and I'd find it disingenuous to claim either inaccurately. You are confusing two different things.
- randallsquared 14y ago
  Alexandria and Annandale, specifically. They're similarly crowded. The commute into DC from Vienna is ridiculous; I've never seriously considered living there. I currently commute from Fredericksburg to downtown DC, and while it's long, the vast majority of it can be done relatively cheaply on Amtrak, where there's wifi. Fredericksburg is far nicer to live in than most points closer to DC.
  - oinksoft 14y ago
    Alexandria and Annandale are not remotely alike ... Annandale is purely suburban and is the Korean cultural center of the east coast ... Alexandria is an old city with grid streets, Metro service, beside a river, etc. etc.
    - randallsquared 14y ago
      They're very alike. They both have metro service (Annandale has Dunn Loring, which I used all last winter, so I assure you it exists). The parts of Alexandria I've lived in are very similar, both the landmark mall area and the huntington area. There's a tiny portion of Alexandria up against the river with grid streets, but the bulk of it is more like Annandale than not.
      - oinksoft 14y ago
        The parts you mention are largely in Alexandria, Fairfax County, not The City of Alexandria, and they are quite different too. In any case because of its huge Korean influence, I don't know of any place in the area that is at all like Annandale.

rayiner 14y ago

Are you talking about Arlington/Alexandria or "real Northern Virginia" (Vienna, Tyson's Corner, etc)? The former are really just part of D.C. They are as densely populated as the city proper, and were legally part of D.C. until Virginia took the land back right before the Civil War. Arlington is where D.C.'s high-rises are (as a result of the stupid building height restriction in the city proper) and is well-integrated into the city's subway network. Of course, Alexandria and Arlington are also the only tolerable places in Northern Virginia.

EvanKelly 14y ago
As a native Richmonder, I take umbrage to this comment. I haven't lived in Richmond for a long time, but every time I go back, the better it seems to get. It's got a burgeoning cultural scene (music,food), and a beautiful river running directly through the city.
- rayiner 14y ago
  Fixed! Richmond does indeed seem on the upswing. I started visiting it more recently, since I have a friend from there, and I swear it didn't look like this when I was growing up: http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3193/2701624794_d30b623cfa_z.jpg http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3193/2701624794_d30b623cfa_z.j....
- firefoxman1 14y ago
  I agree, Richmond is a great city and Charlottesville in my opinion is more tolerable than northern VA.
oinksoft 14y ago
It's pretty patronizing, as a Virginian, to hear somebody say that Alexandria is an extension of DC. Alexandria far predates DC and there was strong opposition to its integration (Arlington didn't exist at the time; the entirety of Arlington County was part of Alexandria). Also, perhaps you find Arlington/Alexandria to be the only "tolerable" places in Northern Virginia because they are the only urban parts of this area. If you care about fishing more than clubbing, there are far more desirable places to be (not to say I don't do some great fishing here in Alexandria myself).
- amorphid 14y ago
  Well, you educated at least one person :) I will stop calling Alexandria DC. My dad lives there, but I tell myself he lives in DC and not NoVa.
  - rayiner 14y ago
    I grew up in Vienna/Mclean, and honestly everyone I know from there says they grew up in D.C. They might admit they grew up in the "D.C. suburbs" if prodded. Regardless of the underlying political divisions, northern virginia is today merely a suburban outgrowth of D.C.
    - oinksoft 14y ago
      Nobody is denying that northern Virginia is part of the DC Metro area. That doesn't make it magically not Virginian any more than it makes Prince George's county, etc. not part of Maryland. Your friends would say they were from DC, or the DC area, because that is accurate. Also, DC being a notable city, this is more recognizable to folks not from around here. I say I'm from Virginia because that's accurate and just as recognizable. But some people like to say they're from a big city even if they grew up far outside of it ... to each their own. Growing up in DC is a decidedly different experience from growing up in any part of Virginia and I'd find it disingenuous to claim either inaccurately. You are confusing two different things.
randallsquared 14y ago
Alexandria and Annandale, specifically. They're similarly crowded. The commute into DC from Vienna is ridiculous; I've never seriously considered living there. I currently commute from Fredericksburg to downtown DC, and while it's long, the vast majority of it can be done relatively cheaply on Amtrak, where there's wifi. Fredericksburg is far nicer to live in than most points closer to DC.
- oinksoft 14y ago
  Alexandria and Annandale are not remotely alike ... Annandale is purely suburban and is the Korean cultural center of the east coast ... Alexandria is an old city with grid streets, Metro service, beside a river, etc. etc.
  - randallsquared 14y ago
    They're very alike. They both have metro service (Annandale has Dunn Loring, which I used all last winter, so I assure you it exists). The parts of Alexandria I've lived in are very similar, both the landmark mall area and the huntington area. There's a tiny portion of Alexandria up against the river with grid streets, but the bulk of it is more like Annandale than not.
    - oinksoft 14y ago
      The parts you mention are largely in Alexandria, Fairfax County, not The City of Alexandria, and they are quite different too. In any case because of its huge Korean influence, I don't know of any place in the area that is at all like Annandale.