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who write this crap? i wrote in lisp (scheme), this is the most bugged language i ever used. and i used more then 5. this is non debugable language, it it make

who write this crap? i wrote in lisp (scheme), this is the most bugged language i ever used. and i used more then 5. this is non debugable language, it it makes it bug full. you have to follow complex ideas, and keep scores of ideas, this is not for normal humans. when you pass the wrong type and not support it, it goes to hell, and as a programmer you start to flame. list, is a piece of shit for the masses, its useful for handful, who didn't distribute the ideas well, and people when to the place where it was easier to write code, and less is needed for getting your path going.

slurry 14y ago
I enjoy Lisp, but I got to agree with you about scheme debugging. MIT/GNU scheme has to be most unhelpful interpreter I've ever used. Error messages are loud, completely unhelpful, and by the end of it I was convinced the REPL was actively trying to make me feel stupid.
- spacemanaki 14y ago
  Did you read the manual? http://www.gnu.org/software/mit-scheme/documentation/mit-scheme-user/Command_002dLine-Debugger.html#Command_002dLine-Debugger http://www.gnu.org/software/mit-scheme/documentation/mit-sch... It's not as easy as setting breakpoints in an IDE like Eclipse and using a visual debugger there, but it's definitely a workable command-line debugger. You just need a little patience in order learn how to use it, and also probably have a pretty good understanding of Scheme's execution model, but that would be true for debugging any programming language.
  - slurry 14y ago
    > Did you read the manual? For real? > It's not as easy as setting breakpoints in an IDE I don't use an IDE. I'm comparing against command line tools for scripting languages, Haskell and Common Lisp. Some fail more helpfully than others.
    - spacemanaki 14y ago
      Sorry for my tone, I guess YMMV... I just never had any issue with MIT Scheme's debugger, although I admit that CL with SLIME is a bit more useful, especially compared to MIT's weird Emacs-clone (or -fork?) "Edwin".
      - tbirdz 14y ago
        For a slime like repl for scheme, you might want to check out geiser: http://www.nongnu.org/geiser/ http://www.nongnu.org/geiser/ It works great for guile and racket.
klibertp 14y ago
Oh, only five other languages? Come back after your twentieth and we'll talk... Now seriously - in which Scheme did you "write"? Racket has excellent debugger and brilliant contract system and exceptions, not to mention a repl and powerful type system. I'm sure you didn't want to display your lack of experience and knowledge, it just happened; I won't hold it against you, just don't write anything more about the thing you know nothing about.

slurry 14y ago

I enjoy Lisp, but I got to agree with you about scheme debugging. MIT/GNU scheme has to be most unhelpful interpreter I've ever used. Error messages are loud, completely unhelpful, and by the end of it I was convinced the REPL was actively trying to make me feel stupid.

spacemanaki 14y ago
Did you read the manual? http://www.gnu.org/software/mit-scheme/documentation/mit-scheme-user/Command_002dLine-Debugger.html#Command_002dLine-Debugger http://www.gnu.org/software/mit-scheme/documentation/mit-sch... It's not as easy as setting breakpoints in an IDE like Eclipse and using a visual debugger there, but it's definitely a workable command-line debugger. You just need a little patience in order learn how to use it, and also probably have a pretty good understanding of Scheme's execution model, but that would be true for debugging any programming language.
- slurry 14y ago
  > Did you read the manual? For real? > It's not as easy as setting breakpoints in an IDE I don't use an IDE. I'm comparing against command line tools for scripting languages, Haskell and Common Lisp. Some fail more helpfully than others.
  - spacemanaki 14y ago
    Sorry for my tone, I guess YMMV... I just never had any issue with MIT Scheme's debugger, although I admit that CL with SLIME is a bit more useful, especially compared to MIT's weird Emacs-clone (or -fork?) "Edwin".
    - tbirdz 14y ago
      For a slime like repl for scheme, you might want to check out geiser: http://www.nongnu.org/geiser/ http://www.nongnu.org/geiser/ It works great for guile and racket.

klibertp 14y ago

Oh, only five other languages? Come back after your twentieth and we'll talk... Now seriously - in which Scheme did you "write"? Racket has excellent debugger and brilliant contract system and exceptions, not to mention a repl and powerful type system. I'm sure you didn't want to display your lack of experience and knowledge, it just happened; I won't hold it against you, just don't write anything more about the thing you know nothing about.