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As far as JavaScript goes he's not off the mark. The thing that saddens me a bit is that it's yet another post about a particular language/technology/thing. No

As far as JavaScript goes he's not off the mark. The thing that saddens me a bit is that it's yet another post about a particular language/technology/thing. No language/technology/thing is better than another. It may be better than another in a particular context. This is as true for Android as it is for Visual Basic and Arduino. While this is obviously my personal opinion, I think the industry as a whole might benefit a lot more from a post that discusses the pros and cons of building a solution that targets say, the web, a phone, tablet and a desktop. And how such a solution might do authN and authR, synchronise data using store/forward, work in an offline scenario (aeroplane, underground, Gobi desert...). Talking about specific technologies in such a context is useful. It is even more useful when considering environmental factors such directories, monitoring software, privacy, advertising and so on.

lmm 14y ago
>No language/technology/thing is better than another. It may be better than another in a particular context. This is as true for Android as it is for Visual Basic and Arduino. Disagree, strongly. Progress exists. The languages of today really are better than the languages of 20 years ago. Android really is better than winCE (and this is speaking as someone who was a fan of winCE when it was the best thing available, and spent a fair amount of effort compiling apps for it), not just in some situations but overall.
- FourthProtocol 14y ago
  winCE today is far superior to Android when creating an app that relies on Active Directory. Similarly, whilst LINQ may represent progress in that it makes querying XML, an object model or SQL Server easier, it's terrible when the requirement calls for a complex data model that bears little resemblance to the in-memory representation required by the app. That's what I mean by context.
PommeDeTerre 14y ago
No language/technology/thing is better than another. It may be better than another in a particular context. I don't really buy into this reasoning. If a given language is worse than every other in almost every context (the "global" context, if you will), then it's clearly an inferior language relative to the others. JavaScript does exhibit this. It has exactly one thing going for it: it's the only scripting language widely available in web browsers. Aside from that, it's inferior to most other languages in almost every respect. Its syntax is mediocre. Its semantics are inconsistent and often outright confusing. It's missing critical features that are essential for anything but the smallest-scale development. Its performance is only just somewhat poor today, due to a huge amount of effort from Google and others, otherwise it was downright abysmal in its early implementations. Its libraries are more bandages for its numerous problems, rather than tools that empower developers. The supporting tooling is quite bad (Chrome's developer tools or Firebug don't compare to a real debugger, for instance). The community leaves a lot to be desired, especially given the high amount of ignorance and the extremely bad "advice" that is passed around so often by its members. We shouldn't be politically correct when it comes to technology. Some programming languages are worse than others, and we shouldn't shy away from saying this. JavaScript is an inferior language, like it or not.
- rohern 14y ago
  Hear, hear! It has exactly one thing going for it: it's the only scripting language widely available in web browsers. Please let us change this. We are marching into the future heady with ambition and the common tool is JavaScript. This is a sad state of affairs.
- MJR 14y ago
  It's missing critical features that are essential for anything but the smallest-scale development. What in your opinion is smallest-scale development? Millions of users using your application each year? Do we need web apps to support billions of users each year now? JavaScript is the most superior scripting language widely available in web browsers. Until there is an alternative it cannot be an inferior language because there is nothing equivalent on which to base a comparison.
  - FourthProtocol 14y ago
    Thank you, you put it better than I was able to!
  - PommeDeTerre 14y ago
    I was talking about code base and application size, not so much the number of users. Using JavaScript for a large application is not a pleasant experience. I know there are a lot of JavaScript developers out there who have never used anything but JavaScript, and maybe PHP, so they don't know what they're missing. But those of us who have used even just C++, Java, C#, or Delphi will know how critical things like static typing, namespaces, proper modularity and class-based OO, for example, are.
- FourthProtocol 14y ago
  Aside from that, it's inferior to most other languages in almost every respect. Your perspective is semantic. Mine is pragmatic. I want to get a job done, and I want to be successful. I have no interest in the best tool. If I'm targeting web browsers then JavaScript is the logical choice that will make me successful. It doesn't matter that it's a swamp donkey. JS libraries are like any other library. The developer makes the choice. I wouldn't, for instance, distribute the Windows Phone toolkit with my app when all I'm using from the toolkit is the ExpanderView control.
runaro 14y ago
If you look at the definition of "good" in Noah Webster's American Dictionary of the English Language, it will say "fit for a particular purpose" to say that nothing is any better than anything else is to ignore purposes.

lmm 14y ago

>No language/technology/thing is better than another. It may be better than another in a particular context. This is as true for Android as it is for Visual Basic and Arduino. Disagree, strongly. Progress exists. The languages of today really are better than the languages of 20 years ago. Android really is better than winCE (and this is speaking as someone who was a fan of winCE when it was the best thing available, and spent a fair amount of effort compiling apps for it), not just in some situations but overall.

FourthProtocol 14y ago
winCE today is far superior to Android when creating an app that relies on Active Directory. Similarly, whilst LINQ may represent progress in that it makes querying XML, an object model or SQL Server easier, it's terrible when the requirement calls for a complex data model that bears little resemblance to the in-memory representation required by the app. That's what I mean by context.

PommeDeTerre 14y ago

No language/technology/thing is better than another. It may be better than another in a particular context. I don't really buy into this reasoning. If a given language is worse than every other in almost every context (the "global" context, if you will), then it's clearly an inferior language relative to the others. JavaScript does exhibit this. It has exactly one thing going for it: it's the only scripting language widely available in web browsers. Aside from that, it's inferior to most other languages in almost every respect. Its syntax is mediocre. Its semantics are inconsistent and often outright confusing. It's missing critical features that are essential for anything but the smallest-scale development. Its performance is only just somewhat poor today, due to a huge amount of effort from Google and others, otherwise it was downright abysmal in its early implementations. Its libraries are more bandages for its numerous problems, rather than tools that empower developers. The supporting tooling is quite bad (Chrome's developer tools or Firebug don't compare to a real debugger, for instance). The community leaves a lot to be desired, especially given the high amount of ignorance and the extremely bad "advice" that is passed around so often by its members. We shouldn't be politically correct when it comes to technology. Some programming languages are worse than others, and we shouldn't shy away from saying this. JavaScript is an inferior language, like it or not.

rohern 14y ago
Hear, hear! It has exactly one thing going for it: it's the only scripting language widely available in web browsers. Please let us change this. We are marching into the future heady with ambition and the common tool is JavaScript. This is a sad state of affairs.
MJR 14y ago
It's missing critical features that are essential for anything but the smallest-scale development. What in your opinion is smallest-scale development? Millions of users using your application each year? Do we need web apps to support billions of users each year now? JavaScript is the most superior scripting language widely available in web browsers. Until there is an alternative it cannot be an inferior language because there is nothing equivalent on which to base a comparison.
- FourthProtocol 14y ago
  Thank you, you put it better than I was able to!
- PommeDeTerre 14y ago
  I was talking about code base and application size, not so much the number of users. Using JavaScript for a large application is not a pleasant experience. I know there are a lot of JavaScript developers out there who have never used anything but JavaScript, and maybe PHP, so they don't know what they're missing. But those of us who have used even just C++, Java, C#, or Delphi will know how critical things like static typing, namespaces, proper modularity and class-based OO, for example, are.
FourthProtocol 14y ago
Aside from that, it's inferior to most other languages in almost every respect. Your perspective is semantic. Mine is pragmatic. I want to get a job done, and I want to be successful. I have no interest in the best tool. If I'm targeting web browsers then JavaScript is the logical choice that will make me successful. It doesn't matter that it's a swamp donkey. JS libraries are like any other library. The developer makes the choice. I wouldn't, for instance, distribute the Windows Phone toolkit with my app when all I'm using from the toolkit is the ExpanderView control.

runaro 14y ago

If you look at the definition of "good" in Noah Webster's American Dictionary of the English Language, it will say "fit for a particular purpose" to say that nothing is any better than anything else is to ignore purposes.