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I didn't. Its a person with too many first world problems and a dash of conspiracy theories. ( high level marketers created the world we live in...ect)

by rbn 14y ago

adamcadaver 14y ago
+1 We live in a consumption economy, this is hardly a groundbreaking realisation.
grecy 14y ago
> dash of conspiracy theories. It doesn't matter if it's a conspiracy or not, the fact is it's a reality of the world we live in. Acknowledgement of a problem is the first step to fixing it, or at the very least minimizing it's impact.
- jacques_chester 14y ago
  The conspiracy theory is central to the larger theory. If you believe that the world we live in has one, or a few, central intelligences directing how it has unfolded, then it's relatively easily changed. Find those people, usurp their levers of power. If it's bullshit and nobody anywhere has that kind of influence, then it's impossible to usurp the Secret Masters and use their mechanism. So. Yeah. It matters to the argument if there's a conspiracy.
  - nacker 14y ago
    > it's relatively easily changed. Find those people, usurp their levers of power. If it's so easy, could you please do us all a favor and usurp the levers of power of the Rothschilds, the Rockefellers, and Goldman-Sachs to start with? Waiting patiently, thanks!
    - jacques_chester 14y ago
      If it's unclear, I am not a supporter of the Secret Masters interpretation of history or modern society.
  - grecy 14y ago
    > It matters to the argument if there's a conspiracy. I don't believe it does. Taking the dot-points as fact (People work almost all the time, etc.), which I believe they are, then we accept that as the reality of our world, and we can make a choice to do something about it as individuals (i.e. stop buying stuff), or not (i.e. keep buying stuff). For an individual to make that choice and take action, it makes no difference why that is the current reality of our world. It only matters that it is. We don't need to usurp any powers from anybody (real or imagined), or use any kind of mechanism as you suggest, we just need to change our actions as individuals (if we decide we're not happy with the way things are) or keep doing what we're doing (if we're fine with the way things are)
mikekij 14y ago
While there may not be individuals out here masterminding the system the way the author describes, there are definitely people that know they are benefiting from our collective addition to consumption.
dag11 14y ago
> (high level marketers created the world we live in...ect) But... they did. That's the entire idea behind marketing and consumerism. They're paid to make us need a certain product or service. It's not paranoia.
- rbn 14y ago
  God Complex. It's impossible to narrow down the cause of today's complex society to the work of marketers.
mynameishere 14y ago
Yep, strictly college freshman dorm room BS. The reality is, everybody working and consuming so hard makes it fairly easy for the occasional rebel to disengage, given the massive productivity of society overall. So quit complaining.

I didn't. Its a person with too many first world problems and a dash of conspiracy theories. ( high level marketers created the world we live in...ect)

by rbn 14y ago

I didn't. Its a person with too many first world problems and a dash of conspiracy theories. ( high level marketers created the world we live in...ect)

adamcadaver 14y ago

+1 We live in a consumption economy, this is hardly a groundbreaking realisation.

grecy 14y ago

> dash of conspiracy theories. It doesn't matter if it's a conspiracy or not, the fact is it's a reality of the world we live in. Acknowledgement of a problem is the first step to fixing it, or at the very least minimizing it's impact.

jacques_chester 14y ago
The conspiracy theory is central to the larger theory. If you believe that the world we live in has one, or a few, central intelligences directing how it has unfolded, then it's relatively easily changed. Find those people, usurp their levers of power. If it's bullshit and nobody anywhere has that kind of influence, then it's impossible to usurp the Secret Masters and use their mechanism. So. Yeah. It matters to the argument if there's a conspiracy.
- nacker 14y ago
  > it's relatively easily changed. Find those people, usurp their levers of power. If it's so easy, could you please do us all a favor and usurp the levers of power of the Rothschilds, the Rockefellers, and Goldman-Sachs to start with? Waiting patiently, thanks!
  - jacques_chester 14y ago
    If it's unclear, I am not a supporter of the Secret Masters interpretation of history or modern society.
- grecy 14y ago
  > It matters to the argument if there's a conspiracy. I don't believe it does. Taking the dot-points as fact (People work almost all the time, etc.), which I believe they are, then we accept that as the reality of our world, and we can make a choice to do something about it as individuals (i.e. stop buying stuff), or not (i.e. keep buying stuff). For an individual to make that choice and take action, it makes no difference why that is the current reality of our world. It only matters that it is. We don't need to usurp any powers from anybody (real or imagined), or use any kind of mechanism as you suggest, we just need to change our actions as individuals (if we decide we're not happy with the way things are) or keep doing what we're doing (if we're fine with the way things are)

mikekij 14y ago

While there may not be individuals out here masterminding the system the way the author describes, there are definitely people that know they are benefiting from our collective addition to consumption.

dag11 14y ago

> (high level marketers created the world we live in...ect) But... they did. That's the entire idea behind marketing and consumerism. They're paid to make us need a certain product or service. It's not paranoia.

rbn 14y ago
God Complex. It's impossible to narrow down the cause of today's complex society to the work of marketers.

mynameishere 14y ago

Yep, strictly college freshman dorm room BS. The reality is, everybody working and consuming so hard makes it fairly easy for the occasional rebel to disengage, given the massive productivity of society overall. So quit complaining.