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Sorry if that came off as slippery slopish, not the intention exactly. My worry with holding Facebook responsible or culpable for the actions of its users in t

by mitchty 14y ago

Sorry if that came off as slippery slopish, not the intention exactly. My worry with holding Facebook responsible or culpable for the actions of its users in this specific regard is that we're creating and or granting a degree of control over interation to Facebook. I don't understand why now, with Facebook, we decide this needs action. The same stuff went on before computers, all Facebook is doing is making this visible to a wider population. I'm not trying to say Facebook should do nothing. By all means they should just as that convenience store owner report the matter to the proper authorities. Our justice systems are a much better way to punish offenders than a for profit corporation. They may not be perfect but I do not trust Facebook or any corporation to deal with this in a decent way. The underlying problem here however is society and its views on sex for women. That and how men act and treat women in general. Both of those should be at the top of our list to fix and equalize.

potatolicious 14y ago
> "By all means they should just as that convenience store owner report the matter to the proper authorities." Who are the proper authorities? The legal/justice system is not meant to be a first-line against all disputes and problems. There's a reason that if your neighbor puts up an offensive sign on his lawn, you try to resolve it yourself before involving the city. > "They may not be perfect but I do not trust Facebook or any corporation to deal with this in a decent way." As someone who grew up under (probably not as bad as most others) bullying: hogwash. Facebook is a valid party to deal with this behavior. Who would deal with this? The police don't give a shit. School administrators have had decades of teen suicides and school shootings to deal with it, but all they have done is further marginalize the bullied, giving them less recourse than they ever had before. The default "proper authorities" have abdicated their responsibility and proven more than amply that they are either too incompetent or too apathetic to do anything about it. Sadly, the onus does fall upon private parties, and Facebook is one of them. I for one resist the notion that we should bureaucratize very basic (and very old) human behavior. Just as the shop owner would just go outside and break up the bullies, so should Facebook break up this behavior, referring to the police only in exceptional cases. > "The underlying problem here however is society and its views on sex for women." I don't think this is it. Children, both male and female, are bullied harshly for a myriad of reasons, sex being only a large one of many. The core issue is bullying, not bullying re: sex.

by mitchty 14y ago

potatolicious 14y ago

> "By all means they should just as that convenience store owner report the matter to the proper authorities." Who are the proper authorities? The legal/justice system is not meant to be a first-line against all disputes and problems. There's a reason that if your neighbor puts up an offensive sign on his lawn, you try to resolve it yourself before involving the city. > "They may not be perfect but I do not trust Facebook or any corporation to deal with this in a decent way." As someone who grew up under (probably not as bad as most others) bullying: hogwash. Facebook is a valid party to deal with this behavior. Who would deal with this? The police don't give a shit. School administrators have had decades of teen suicides and school shootings to deal with it, but all they have done is further marginalize the bullied, giving them less recourse than they ever had before. The default "proper authorities" have abdicated their responsibility and proven more than amply that they are either too incompetent or too apathetic to do anything about it. Sadly, the onus does fall upon private parties, and Facebook is one of them. I for one resist the notion that we should bureaucratize very basic (and very old) human behavior. Just as the shop owner would just go outside and break up the bullies, so should Facebook break up this behavior, referring to the police only in exceptional cases. > "The underlying problem here however is society and its views on sex for women." I don't think this is it. Children, both male and female, are bullied harshly for a myriad of reasons, sex being only a large one of many. The core issue is bullying, not bullying re: sex.