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I knew about clojars.org, but I hadn't known about http://www.clojure-toolbox.com/ http://www.clojure-toolbox.com/. Very nice! I also recommend the Value of Va

I knew about clojars.org, but I hadn't known about http://www.clojure-toolbox.com/ http://www.clojure-toolbox.com/. Very nice! I also recommend the Value of Values video presentation: http://www.infoq.com/presentations/Value-Values http://www.infoq.com/presentations/Value-Values. It will help you internalize Clojure's approach to data. I really wish I could remember why I didn't experience nearly as much pain starting out as the author, but I'm glad that he took the trouble to put this together.

jrheard 14y ago
That talk's definitely a good one. I particularly like how he frames it as a discussion about the difference between value-oriented programming (good) and place-oriented programming (what you're used to, bad). Giving the two paradigms those names really helps clarify how you think about the distinctions between the two.
graue 14y ago
Off topic perhaps, but is Rich Hickey's wisdom only summarized in talks, or has he written some of this down? I see a number of glowing reviews of videos like this. While I don't want to miss out, I would personally much rather consume this info in writing. The one I did bite the bullet on and watch in full was his talk on “hammock-driven development”. I liked it, but couldn't help feeling it would have made a very nice blog post that I could've read in 5 to 10 minutes as opposed to watching a 30 minute video.
- jrheard 14y ago
  I really suggest biting the bullet on "are we there yet" - it changed the way I think about state and identity (in that it got me to start thinking about them at all). I haven't found anything by him in written form aside from interviews, though, but I'm still really new here.
- fogus 14y ago
  While 'Joy of Clojure'[1] can in no way be considered "the way Rich thinks", we have tried very hard to capture the Clojure philosophy as we understand it. This is based on personal interactions with Rich, his talks, the Clojure and Clojure implementations, Datomic, IRC chats and experience using the language every day. [1]: http://www.joyofclojure.com http://www.joyofclojure.com
- wonderzombie 14y ago
  I can't speak to text, but you don't necessarily have to watch them. InfoQ offers MP3 downloads of talks, so you could listen to them on your commute, on a walk/bike ride/jog, etc. You'll still get 80% - 95% of the value. I second fogus' comment about the Joy of Clojure, as well. I started with Simple Made Easy and the Value of Values before I even jumped into Clojure, and the Joy of Clojure dovetails quite nicely with all of the above.
- megrimlock 14y ago
  Try reading this. It concisely gets at some of the main ideas of his talks regarding values, identity, and perception. http://clojure.org/state http://clojure.org/state
- vdm 14y ago
  The Unofficial Guide to Rich Hickey's Brain http://www.flyingmachinestudios.com/programming/the-unofficial-guide-to-rich-hickeys-brain/ http://www.flyingmachinestudios.com/programming/the-unoffici...

jrheard 14y ago

That talk's definitely a good one. I particularly like how he frames it as a discussion about the difference between value-oriented programming (good) and place-oriented programming (what you're used to, bad). Giving the two paradigms those names really helps clarify how you think about the distinctions between the two.

graue 14y ago

Off topic perhaps, but is Rich Hickey's wisdom only summarized in talks, or has he written some of this down? I see a number of glowing reviews of videos like this. While I don't want to miss out, I would personally much rather consume this info in writing. The one I did bite the bullet on and watch in full was his talk on “hammock-driven development”. I liked it, but couldn't help feeling it would have made a very nice blog post that I could've read in 5 to 10 minutes as opposed to watching a 30 minute video.

jrheard 14y ago
I really suggest biting the bullet on "are we there yet" - it changed the way I think about state and identity (in that it got me to start thinking about them at all). I haven't found anything by him in written form aside from interviews, though, but I'm still really new here.
fogus 14y ago
While 'Joy of Clojure'[1] can in no way be considered "the way Rich thinks", we have tried very hard to capture the Clojure philosophy as we understand it. This is based on personal interactions with Rich, his talks, the Clojure and Clojure implementations, Datomic, IRC chats and experience using the language every day. [1]: http://www.joyofclojure.com http://www.joyofclojure.com
wonderzombie 14y ago
I can't speak to text, but you don't necessarily have to watch them. InfoQ offers MP3 downloads of talks, so you could listen to them on your commute, on a walk/bike ride/jog, etc. You'll still get 80% - 95% of the value. I second fogus' comment about the Joy of Clojure, as well. I started with Simple Made Easy and the Value of Values before I even jumped into Clojure, and the Joy of Clojure dovetails quite nicely with all of the above.
megrimlock 14y ago
Try reading this. It concisely gets at some of the main ideas of his talks regarding values, identity, and perception. http://clojure.org/state http://clojure.org/state
vdm 14y ago
The Unofficial Guide to Rich Hickey's Brain http://www.flyingmachinestudios.com/programming/the-unofficial-guide-to-rich-hickeys-brain/ http://www.flyingmachinestudios.com/programming/the-unoffici...