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I'm not sure what you mean by 'willfullness,' Thomas. My point is that this is the modern incarnation of an extremely old set of teenage behaviors. The teenage

by jordanb 14y ago

I'm not sure what you mean by 'willfullness,' Thomas. My point is that this is the modern incarnation of an extremely old set of teenage behaviors. The teenage girl who becomes subject of a rumor campaign has always been devastated by it.

lotso 14y ago
Sure, but I think the results of the modern incarnation are much worse and perhaps, longer lasting.
dailyrorschach 14y ago
This is true, it's the modern form of these old behaviors. But that doesn't mean that their amplification effect isn't worse. Now videos and photos are actually seen by people, without your permission, by your friends, teachers, principals, parents, etc. It would seem to me to only increase the level of trauma. It's one thing to tell your parents that the kids at school said X, it's another to have your parents called and shown a photo or told a video exists. My girlfriend and I were video tapped in high school, this was around 2003 I want to say, so luckily it wasn't super easily broadcast, but still made the rounds in her high school. Thankfully the acts committed weren't completely revelatory for either of us, but it definitely hurt her greatly. I can only imagine what would have happened had the video shown more, or the audience distribution wider. What ended up happening was the video destroyed, the student reprimanded. In our case it was friends playing a prank too far, but in many others its done with malicious intent and broadcasted to the greatest number of people to enhance that harm.
tptacek 14y ago
Strong disagree that worldwide publication of a revealing photograph is comparable to a whispering campaign.
- ryusage 14y ago
  I think his point is more that the phenomenon we're seeing here is something that's happened forever, and we've really never "solved". The cause is exactly the same, and the effects are similar in nature. They're just dramatically amplified now by technology.
  - jordanb 14y ago
    Thank you, that was my point. I admit that I wasn't thinking about the potential for the photos to live forever but also feel that 1) in all probability they won't live forever, at least not on the public, searchable internet given that they're illegal 2) If the article's purpose was to highlight that aspect then it did a poor job. My reaction to this article is that it comes across as a continuation of a lazy, facile media narrative about technology and culture and kids that began with Geraldo Rivera, BBSes and Dungeons and Dragons.

by jordanb 14y ago

lotso 14y ago

Sure, but I think the results of the modern incarnation are much worse and perhaps, longer lasting.

dailyrorschach 14y ago

This is true, it's the modern form of these old behaviors. But that doesn't mean that their amplification effect isn't worse. Now videos and photos are actually seen by people, without your permission, by your friends, teachers, principals, parents, etc. It would seem to me to only increase the level of trauma. It's one thing to tell your parents that the kids at school said X, it's another to have your parents called and shown a photo or told a video exists. My girlfriend and I were video tapped in high school, this was around 2003 I want to say, so luckily it wasn't super easily broadcast, but still made the rounds in her high school. Thankfully the acts committed weren't completely revelatory for either of us, but it definitely hurt her greatly. I can only imagine what would have happened had the video shown more, or the audience distribution wider. What ended up happening was the video destroyed, the student reprimanded. In our case it was friends playing a prank too far, but in many others its done with malicious intent and broadcasted to the greatest number of people to enhance that harm.

tptacek 14y ago

Strong disagree that worldwide publication of a revealing photograph is comparable to a whispering campaign.

ryusage 14y ago
I think his point is more that the phenomenon we're seeing here is something that's happened forever, and we've really never "solved". The cause is exactly the same, and the effects are similar in nature. They're just dramatically amplified now by technology.
- jordanb 14y ago
  Thank you, that was my point. I admit that I wasn't thinking about the potential for the photos to live forever but also feel that 1) in all probability they won't live forever, at least not on the public, searchable internet given that they're illegal 2) If the article's purpose was to highlight that aspect then it did a poor job. My reaction to this article is that it comes across as a continuation of a lazy, facile media narrative about technology and culture and kids that began with Geraldo Rivera, BBSes and Dungeons and Dragons.