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If Google+'s long game equates to simply integrating with other Google services then I fail to see how it is brilliant.

davidpayne11 14y ago
>I fail to see how it is brilliant. This is why the guy who designed this Google+ plan (Vic Gundotra) is where he is (at Google) and you are still a commentator in a public forum. You need some long-term vision, bro.
- mtgx 14y ago
  I do think Vic Gundotra is pretty brilliant and pretty "Steve Jobs-like". If Larry Page intends to stop being CEO of Google anytime soon, I hope Vic gets it (although I guess Sergei would be next in line).
  - minwcnt5 14y ago
    If not Sergey it would probably be an old timer like Urs. Vic is pretty new and probably well down the totem pole.
  - marssaxman 14y ago
    Vic Gundotra is a master of bullshit, in the Frankfurt sense: when he speaks, he shares nothing of his own beliefs or opinions. Rather, his words are the party line, and nothing more than the party line; he doesn't say the things he says because he believes they are true, but because he wants you to behave as though they are true. In this he is hardly alone, as a spokesman for a major corporation: but Google used to be better than that, and Google especially used to be a place where the top brass would tell the truth internally. It was a place where any Googler could speak up on a Friday company meeting and ask pointed questions and expect to get a real answer. Not so with Vic Gundotra: he bullshits internally just as hard as he does externally. You can't crack him; no matter how obvious his boosterism for G+, he never stops grinning and blustering and insisting that everything is awesome. It is severely off-putting.
- waitwhat 14y ago
  Of course taligent can speak for himself, but I think the argument is not that this is a bad game plan, but that it is not a "brilliant" one (but merely obvious.)
dude_abides 14y ago
s/integrating with/adding identity, profile, and friend graph to/ and then you will see how this is an amazing strategy.
drivebyacct2 14y ago
And let me guess, Google Now is just a gimmick despite being praised by tons of people as one of the biggest things of 2012? It being, arguably, the result of tighter integration and further intelligence based on user data, ie: Google+'s goal.
- sbuk 14y ago
  Yes, it is a gimmick. It has been of no use to me other than to be an even bigger battery drain on my Nexus S.
  - drivebyacct2 14y ago
    I've never even seen the app show up in battery stats. Want to provide a screenshot?
    - sbuk 14y ago
      Not really. It's yet another app that offers nothing useful that connect to the net, uses data and battery, to bug me.
      - drivebyacct2 14y ago
        Your last two pages of comments are almost exclusively anti-Google. I highly doubt that it has any impact on your battery life and we both know you can more than easily disable it. You opted-in to turn it on, you haven't turned it off and I don't believe that it sucks your battery at any perceptible level. edit: to be fair, it does use data. a whole 5MB tying it in near last place with the stock News and Weather widget. Though that also includes the data used for all of my searches, including my voice based searches from the app.
        sbuk 14y ago
        Why didn't you just call me a liar and have done with it? The majority of this post were criticising Google based on their blocking Windows Phone access to maps, based on extremely spurious notions. To counter, your history is mostly praise for Google and reproaching those that criticise them. In short, I have nothing to prove. The battery life on my unsupported, Google branded phone has been poor from day one, as has the other Android devices that I have owned. Google now in my experience has added to the load and not provided me with anything that I consider useful. It's as much a gimmick as Siri, which has the same issues but is marginally less needy.
therobot24 14y ago
The idea is that you already use what were partitioned services; picassa, gmail, docs, chat, groups, calendar, voice, etc. Thus integrating them is obvious. However, the idea of Google+ gradually tightening the relation of these services separates itself from facebook in terms of how you use your social network. Facebook is largely an image sharing network to communicate with friends and family, while you use many google services such as a calendar, gmail, docs, and groups for work and networking and not necessarily just friends and family. Facebook will arguably never be something i use professionally (aside from promotions), while Google+ is something i already use professionally and could easily use instead of facebook socially.

>I fail to see how it is brilliant. This is why the guy who designed this Google+ plan (Vic Gundotra) is where he is (at Google) and you are still a commentator in a public forum. You need some long-term vision, bro.

mtgx 14y ago
I do think Vic Gundotra is pretty brilliant and pretty "Steve Jobs-like". If Larry Page intends to stop being CEO of Google anytime soon, I hope Vic gets it (although I guess Sergei would be next in line).
- minwcnt5 14y ago
  If not Sergey it would probably be an old timer like Urs. Vic is pretty new and probably well down the totem pole.
- marssaxman 14y ago
  Vic Gundotra is a master of bullshit, in the Frankfurt sense: when he speaks, he shares nothing of his own beliefs or opinions. Rather, his words are the party line, and nothing more than the party line; he doesn't say the things he says because he believes they are true, but because he wants you to behave as though they are true. In this he is hardly alone, as a spokesman for a major corporation: but Google used to be better than that, and Google especially used to be a place where the top brass would tell the truth internally. It was a place where any Googler could speak up on a Friday company meeting and ask pointed questions and expect to get a real answer. Not so with Vic Gundotra: he bullshits internally just as hard as he does externally. You can't crack him; no matter how obvious his boosterism for G+, he never stops grinning and blustering and insisting that everything is awesome. It is severely off-putting.
waitwhat 14y ago
Of course taligent can speak for himself, but I think the argument is not that this is a bad game plan, but that it is not a "brilliant" one (but merely obvious.)

dude_abides 14y ago

s/integrating with/adding identity, profile, and friend graph to/ and then you will see how this is an amazing strategy.

drivebyacct2 14y ago

And let me guess, Google Now is just a gimmick despite being praised by tons of people as one of the biggest things of 2012? It being, arguably, the result of tighter integration and further intelligence based on user data, ie: Google+'s goal.

sbuk 14y ago
Yes, it is a gimmick. It has been of no use to me other than to be an even bigger battery drain on my Nexus S.
- drivebyacct2 14y ago
  I've never even seen the app show up in battery stats. Want to provide a screenshot?
  - sbuk 14y ago
    Not really. It's yet another app that offers nothing useful that connect to the net, uses data and battery, to bug me.
    - drivebyacct2 14y ago
      Your last two pages of comments are almost exclusively anti-Google. I highly doubt that it has any impact on your battery life and we both know you can more than easily disable it. You opted-in to turn it on, you haven't turned it off and I don't believe that it sucks your battery at any perceptible level. edit: to be fair, it does use data. a whole 5MB tying it in near last place with the stock News and Weather widget. Though that also includes the data used for all of my searches, including my voice based searches from the app.
      - sbuk 14y ago
        Why didn't you just call me a liar and have done with it? The majority of this post were criticising Google based on their blocking Windows Phone access to maps, based on extremely spurious notions. To counter, your history is mostly praise for Google and reproaching those that criticise them. In short, I have nothing to prove. The battery life on my unsupported, Google branded phone has been poor from day one, as has the other Android devices that I have owned. Google now in my experience has added to the load and not provided me with anything that I consider useful. It's as much a gimmick as Siri, which has the same issues but is marginally less needy.

therobot24 14y ago

The idea is that you already use what were partitioned services; picassa, gmail, docs, chat, groups, calendar, voice, etc. Thus integrating them is obvious. However, the idea of Google+ gradually tightening the relation of these services separates itself from facebook in terms of how you use your social network. Facebook is largely an image sharing network to communicate with friends and family, while you use many google services such as a calendar, gmail, docs, and groups for work and networking and not necessarily just friends and family. Facebook will arguably never be something i use professionally (aside from promotions), while Google+ is something i already use professionally and could easily use instead of facebook socially.