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'Hey nollidge, the sky is blue.' Seems silly to point out, no? That's because nobody points out facts in a vacuum; people point out facts because of things lik

'Hey nollidge, the sky is blue.' Seems silly to point out, no? That's because nobody points out facts in a vacuum; people point out facts because of things like meaning and implication. The purpose of communicating new knowledge, or old knowledge put into a new context, is to produce a change in thoughts, actions, or behavior. This is not a complicated idea. As an individual, operating under my own idea of what it means to be a 'good' person, I try to do my best to judge people on their character, not on superficial characteristics. Also, I feel like as a person, I have fairly healthy boundaries. So, when someone communicates to me through implication, by emphasizing a series of facts, that I have a duty to violate my own sense of fairness and morality to rectify a broad, amorphous social problem of arbitrary criteria, yes, I consider that an attempt to violate my boundaries.

nollidge 14y ago
> people point out facts because of things like meaning and implication. Yes, great, thanks. Now please explain how that meaning and implication is "inherently accusatory", rather than pointing out non-obvious facts to people who don't seem to believe them (cf. evolution, the big bang, etc.). What is it that you think is being implicitly asked of you?
- nateabele 14y ago
  > What is it that you think is being implicitly asked of you? Well, that's the real trick, since it's been hard to pin down to any level of precision. But then, I'm not one of the people going around, sanctimoniously passing judgement on those who don't conform to my personal moral code. But if you can find one of them, and get them to give you an unambiguous, noncontradictory explanation for exactly what they expect of everyone, I'd consider it a favor if you passed it along. :-)
  - nollidge 14y ago
    So you can't even define what it is people are "implicitly" asking of you, and yet you're convinced it's "inherently accusatory", would "violate your own sense of fairness and morality", would "violate your boundaries", and the asker is being sanctimonious. Pardon me if I do not take your Real Important Concerns seriously.
    - nateabele 14y ago
      My apologies, I can see you don't appreciate being toyed with. ;-)

nollidge 14y ago

> people point out facts because of things like meaning and implication. Yes, great, thanks. Now please explain how that meaning and implication is "inherently accusatory", rather than pointing out non-obvious facts to people who don't seem to believe them (cf. evolution, the big bang, etc.). What is it that you think is being implicitly asked of you?

nateabele 14y ago
> What is it that you think is being implicitly asked of you? Well, that's the real trick, since it's been hard to pin down to any level of precision. But then, I'm not one of the people going around, sanctimoniously passing judgement on those who don't conform to my personal moral code. But if you can find one of them, and get them to give you an unambiguous, noncontradictory explanation for exactly what they expect of everyone, I'd consider it a favor if you passed it along. :-)
- nollidge 14y ago
  So you can't even define what it is people are "implicitly" asking of you, and yet you're convinced it's "inherently accusatory", would "violate your own sense of fairness and morality", would "violate your boundaries", and the asker is being sanctimonious. Pardon me if I do not take your Real Important Concerns seriously.
  - nateabele 14y ago
    My apologies, I can see you don't appreciate being toyed with. ;-)