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Nonsense. Why shouldn't AIs be possible in completely different environments than humans? The assumption that bodily experience is required is just wrong. Why s
by Tichy 14y ago
Nonsense. Why shouldn't AIs be possible in completely different environments than humans? The assumption that bodily experience is required is just wrong. Why shouldn't an AI be able to live on the internet, for example?
Also, human brains are actually also just computers in a box with some wires to the outside world. We can not even be sure that the outside world exists, we only model it based on the signals that come through the wires.
- spullara 14y agoI think he is arguing that we have an existence proof of exactly one type of intelligence and to assume that we can skip understanding that one and create a new kind is pretty far fetched.
- iandanforth 14y ago>> pretty far fetched. I would say 'more difficult than it needs to be.' But essentially correct.
- jfb 14y agoAssumes facts not in evidence.
- Tichy 14y agoWhat do you mean?
- warmfuzzykitten 14y agoAgree. The arguments put forth are nothing but romantic appeals to human supremacy. First, that you can't have intelligence without meat. Second, that you can't have intelligence unless it learns by the same bumbling process that humans use. (An assertion that early intelligent behavior is inversely proportional to later intelligent behavior.) Third, "build a body"? Really? Please email your recipe for building a body that will exhibit intelligence without Darwinian selection across the entire universe to...I don't know...quack.com.
- iandanforth 14y agoI actually agree with you. They should be possible, and I'm sure they will exist. However in terms of building one, the only roadmap we have includes a body. To my mind it's not either/or, its now or later?
- Tichy 14y agoIt's certainly valid to get inspiration from the human mind. Still not sure that requires a body, though. I often wonder how a human brain would react if it were born into a completely different environment (for example some virtual reality). Also aren't there humans with brain damage and hence very limited sensory input? I suppose the human brain has some specializations hardwired into it, like face recognition, learning a language and so on (dealing with a body...). That is certainly something to think about. Anyway, I liked Jeff Hawkins book, I am sure you are doing good work at Numenta. And dealing with a body is one of the things some AI should eventually be able to do, so it doesn't hurt to follow that route.