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I don't actually consider Java as native, apologies, I kind of just fired that out there as it is a technology I am also familiar with. I'm not really in a bub

I don't actually consider Java as native, apologies, I kind of just fired that out there as it is a technology I am also familiar with. I'm not really in a bubble, I don't really need to focus on low latency development in my next role, I just happen to be in that role at the minute. Thanks for the link, I will check that out now.

mgkimsal 14y ago
The need for assembler and C are most prevalent in areas where speed is needed - you're in that bubble. The vast majority of business needs out there really don't have a requirement for C. The parts where C may be necessary are largely covered by kernels/drivers, Apache, MySQL, Ruby, PHP, Python, etc already, and most businesses derive more value from having people deliver value using those tools. Rails, Django and PHP/MySQL are the MS Excel and Access of this decade (and probably last decade too), and a lot of value was created by Access/Excel in the 90s (and a lot of messes too, but that's a different story). You're 'not in a bubble' the same way that 90% of the startup scene living in SF is 'not in a bubble' either :)
- oscargrouch 14y ago
  Probably this also have to do with the quality of the enginner.. im sure companies have a hard time trying to hire C/C++ class of enginners (and java at some extent). Im sure nature+culture+education also have a hard time to produce this sort of profile.. so the market have to fit, to get its work done (spending more in hardware to compensate maybe?).. But as a contradictory example, see facebook.. started with the easy (and spaguetti) PHP.. and now that things get really complicated.. they have to turn out to C++ You dont see this sort of infrastructure problem on google, that has started with c++ right away.. And also twitter, started with ruby, and ended on Scala (im sure it cost a lot to buy the ammount of memory JVM requires, but is pretty fast) But of course, the majority of jobs come from mid to small sized shops.. (and startups) that like their precedents before them.. are starting the easy and productive way.. with things like node.js .. nothing against that , but if they get really big as the examples i´ve gave, they will start to feel the heat :)
  - fatalerrorx3 14y ago
    Facebook does use PHP still don't they just pre-compile it to make it run faster? I'm sure they also use C/C++ in addition now though for certain resource intensive processes like image and video processing

mgkimsal 14y ago

The need for assembler and C are most prevalent in areas where speed is needed - you're in that bubble. The vast majority of business needs out there really don't have a requirement for C. The parts where C may be necessary are largely covered by kernels/drivers, Apache, MySQL, Ruby, PHP, Python, etc already, and most businesses derive more value from having people deliver value using those tools. Rails, Django and PHP/MySQL are the MS Excel and Access of this decade (and probably last decade too), and a lot of value was created by Access/Excel in the 90s (and a lot of messes too, but that's a different story). You're 'not in a bubble' the same way that 90% of the startup scene living in SF is 'not in a bubble' either :)

oscargrouch 14y ago
Probably this also have to do with the quality of the enginner.. im sure companies have a hard time trying to hire C/C++ class of enginners (and java at some extent). Im sure nature+culture+education also have a hard time to produce this sort of profile.. so the market have to fit, to get its work done (spending more in hardware to compensate maybe?).. But as a contradictory example, see facebook.. started with the easy (and spaguetti) PHP.. and now that things get really complicated.. they have to turn out to C++ You dont see this sort of infrastructure problem on google, that has started with c++ right away.. And also twitter, started with ruby, and ended on Scala (im sure it cost a lot to buy the ammount of memory JVM requires, but is pretty fast) But of course, the majority of jobs come from mid to small sized shops.. (and startups) that like their precedents before them.. are starting the easy and productive way.. with things like node.js .. nothing against that , but if they get really big as the examples i´ve gave, they will start to feel the heat :)
- fatalerrorx3 14y ago
  Facebook does use PHP still don't they just pre-compile it to make it run faster? I'm sure they also use C/C++ in addition now though for certain resource intensive processes like image and video processing