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Music Industry Wants to Block The Pirate Bay And 260 Additional Sites

33 points by derpenxyne 14y ago

drucken 14y ago
Cat already out of the bag for those countries. Arms race: legal vs technology - technology wins every time. So, the question becomes to whom is your legal system ultimately beholden.
zxcdw 14y ago
Music industry has to control the market or it will cripple itself tremendously due to not being able to adapt to the changing environment. It's only natural to defend your own grounds. Can't blame them, even though I strongly disagree with them. Technology is the future. The future is now. Sharing is caring. Sharing is good.
- clicks 14y ago
  The music industry is not going to cripple itself -- they still have control over the strongest marketing avenues (and indeed you'll see that usually what's breaking into Singles Chart in US, UK and elsewhere are records being recorded, produced by major labels). There was news this week about movie industry having its best year this year for some time, I do not think the music industry is much different. It's doing well and it'll continue to do well. It will change and adapt, as it's already doing, but it'll be gradual change. I like your sentiments on 'sharing' and technology in the end winning, but there is no significant evidence to think that is how things will play out.
  - alexqgb 14y ago
    The record recently set by Hollywood did not pertain to the industry as a whole (which is what you assert). It pertained only to box office revenue, which is simply one source of income among many relied on by producers to recoup the costs of their productions. Moreover, the 'record' isn't really a record at all, in that it's measured in dollars that haven't been adjusted for inflation. The moment you start comparing apples and apples, it turns out that Hollywood's best year at the box office was 2002. As an aside, those familiar with the development of digital video, the practice of DVD ripping, and the infrastructure for online exchange, will recognize 2003 as the point where pirating movies switched from a theoretical possibility to a technologically feasible proposition.
steeve 14y ago
Isn't there a way to remove sites like TPB with a completely decentralized search tool?? I mean, now that we have magnets, the next step should be to decentralized torrent listing altogether (on top of the existing DHT maybe??)
- IheartApplesDix 14y ago
  Sure there's all sorts of alternatives but that's not the point of this article or the outrage.
TommyDANGerous 14y ago
Being able to easily distribute and share music can help artists in other ways that can indirectly increase their income. Let's say someone illegally downloaded an artist's music and liked it so much shared it with their friends, then their friends share etc. I remember sometime ago a little girl 's house was raided because some anti-piracy commission used tax dollars to have the police and swat team raid the girl's house because they believed or caught her downloading this one artist's music illegally. The artist whom that track belonged to was so embarrassed and felt so bad that this anti-piracy commission took it so far, I don't think the artist even cared.
- alexqgb 14y ago
  You may not realize you've just made an argument from anecdote, but you have, and that represents a well-known logical fallacy. Moreover, this fallacy is famously favored by those who don't mind being deceptive when they find that facts, broadly speaking, are not on their side. More on the error here, where it is referred to as "The demagogue's best friend." http://www.jampole.com/wordpress/?p=329 http://www.jampole.com/wordpress/?p=329 Again, I'm not suggesting that you are a dishonest person, or that you are deliberately obscuring the issue. I am simply noting that your approach (which is a rhetorical failure) carries the additional fault of salubrious associations.

33 points by derpenxyne 14y ago

Cat already out of the bag for those countries. Arms race: legal vs technology - technology wins every time. So, the question becomes to whom is your legal system ultimately beholden.

zxcdw 14y ago

Music industry has to control the market or it will cripple itself tremendously due to not being able to adapt to the changing environment. It's only natural to defend your own grounds. Can't blame them, even though I strongly disagree with them. Technology is the future. The future is now. Sharing is caring. Sharing is good.

clicks 14y ago
The music industry is not going to cripple itself -- they still have control over the strongest marketing avenues (and indeed you'll see that usually what's breaking into Singles Chart in US, UK and elsewhere are records being recorded, produced by major labels). There was news this week about movie industry having its best year this year for some time, I do not think the music industry is much different. It's doing well and it'll continue to do well. It will change and adapt, as it's already doing, but it'll be gradual change. I like your sentiments on 'sharing' and technology in the end winning, but there is no significant evidence to think that is how things will play out.
- alexqgb 14y ago
  The record recently set by Hollywood did not pertain to the industry as a whole (which is what you assert). It pertained only to box office revenue, which is simply one source of income among many relied on by producers to recoup the costs of their productions. Moreover, the 'record' isn't really a record at all, in that it's measured in dollars that haven't been adjusted for inflation. The moment you start comparing apples and apples, it turns out that Hollywood's best year at the box office was 2002. As an aside, those familiar with the development of digital video, the practice of DVD ripping, and the infrastructure for online exchange, will recognize 2003 as the point where pirating movies switched from a theoretical possibility to a technologically feasible proposition.

steeve 14y ago

Isn't there a way to remove sites like TPB with a completely decentralized search tool?? I mean, now that we have magnets, the next step should be to decentralized torrent listing altogether (on top of the existing DHT maybe??)

IheartApplesDix 14y ago
Sure there's all sorts of alternatives but that's not the point of this article or the outrage.

TommyDANGerous 14y ago

Being able to easily distribute and share music can help artists in other ways that can indirectly increase their income. Let's say someone illegally downloaded an artist's music and liked it so much shared it with their friends, then their friends share etc. I remember sometime ago a little girl 's house was raided because some anti-piracy commission used tax dollars to have the police and swat team raid the girl's house because they believed or caught her downloading this one artist's music illegally. The artist whom that track belonged to was so embarrassed and felt so bad that this anti-piracy commission took it so far, I don't think the artist even cared.

alexqgb 14y ago
You may not realize you've just made an argument from anecdote, but you have, and that represents a well-known logical fallacy. Moreover, this fallacy is famously favored by those who don't mind being deceptive when they find that facts, broadly speaking, are not on their side. More on the error here, where it is referred to as "The demagogue's best friend." http://www.jampole.com/wordpress/?p=329 http://www.jampole.com/wordpress/?p=329 Again, I'm not suggesting that you are a dishonest person, or that you are deliberately obscuring the issue. I am simply noting that your approach (which is a rhetorical failure) carries the additional fault of salubrious associations.