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[A] dramatically different assertion from "effectively committing theft" and "dragging society to hell". I disagree. The shadow reference who shot you down wit

[A] dramatically different assertion from "effectively committing theft" and "dragging society to hell". I disagree. The shadow reference who shot you down with the investor cost may have cost you millions of dollars. How can you not be mad about this? If someone said something that cost me millions, I'd be livid. Additionally, concern over false references is a bit strange from the guy who just finished telling us it's a good reference for him, "or war". If someone fires me and won't agree on a good reference, then it's on. If you're cash-strapped and absolutely can't afford a severance, fine. I'll bounce. If you decide to fuck with my career later on or interfere with future relationships, then war has been started and for me to fight back is appropriate. In normal circumstances I don't "coach" references and trust them to give a decent account, but we were talking, in this thread, about getting fired. When someone is fired, he has a right to reach an understanding on what kind of reference will be provided.

tptacek 14y ago
You sound like a crazy person. Nobody "cost me millions of dollars". It wasn't my money. People are entitled to make decisions based on the information they're able to obtain from conversations. I am not entitled to a private career history, and neither are you.
- michaelochurch 14y ago
  You sound like you have no respect for privacy. You, of course, have the right to compromise your privacy as you wish-- I blog and post under my real name, which is a compromise of privacy I choose to make-- but not the right to make that decision for other people.
  - tptacek 14y ago
    A conversation about you with someone else is not an invasion of your privacy. People's thoughts about you do not belong to you.
    - michaelochurch 14y ago
      A conversation about you with someone else is not an invasion of your privacy. It depends what is in that conversation. If someone is rooting around our past in a way you didn't give permission for, that's an invasion. People's thoughts about you do not belong to you. No, but those thoughts may not be legitimate. Many people are useless idiots and their opinions are valueless. If I've offered someone as a person whose opinion I trust, and that person says that I'm an idiot, that's a good sign that I'm doing something wrong. On the other hand, the opinion of some random person doesn't have much legitimacy.

tptacek 14y ago

You sound like a crazy person. Nobody "cost me millions of dollars". It wasn't my money. People are entitled to make decisions based on the information they're able to obtain from conversations. I am not entitled to a private career history, and neither are you.

michaelochurch 14y ago
You sound like you have no respect for privacy. You, of course, have the right to compromise your privacy as you wish-- I blog and post under my real name, which is a compromise of privacy I choose to make-- but not the right to make that decision for other people.
- tptacek 14y ago
  A conversation about you with someone else is not an invasion of your privacy. People's thoughts about you do not belong to you.
  - michaelochurch 14y ago
    A conversation about you with someone else is not an invasion of your privacy. It depends what is in that conversation. If someone is rooting around our past in a way you didn't give permission for, that's an invasion. People's thoughts about you do not belong to you. No, but those thoughts may not be legitimate. Many people are useless idiots and their opinions are valueless. If I've offered someone as a person whose opinion I trust, and that person says that I'm an idiot, that's a good sign that I'm doing something wrong. On the other hand, the opinion of some random person doesn't have much legitimacy.