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if you mean this one, it's just moved down: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5010891 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5010891

nthitz 14y ago
Indeed that's the one. Given its current points and submission time I really don't understand the HN sorting algo sometimes.
- kenjackson 14y ago
  It was likely flagged. Anti-Google stories don't do well on HN. There's a very strong bias against anti-Google stories, but a strong bias for anti-MS stories.
  - paul9290 14y ago
    Don't know about you, but as web dev/designer who codes html emails and websites, I curse Microsoft on a daily basis! Thankfully ie6 is no longer and issue and there are many frameworks that making building websites for ie7/8 along with the others a snap. Wish there was something for html emails cause i was just cursing microsoft and wishing they'd hurry up and go extinct.
    - kenjackson 14y ago
      You do realize that IE6 is more than 11 years old. Microsoft wishes everyone used IE10 probably more than you do. Do you curse Apple because of Safari 1? Which is actually newer than IE6? Microsoft's greatest fault here is that they haven't been able to get people to upgrade their OS fast enough. An odd reason to curse them. And an odder reason still to flag their articles and push Google articles. I get that everyone will have some bias, but the amount of bias doesn't seem justified, IMO.
      - iboga 14y ago
        If anything the amount of bias is way to low, MS singlehandedly crippled progress on the web for many many years and would deserve to be burned to the ground by an angry mob of webdevs for it. You can develop in Chrome and it just works in Firefox, Opera, Safari, etc., but without fail things are always broken in IE (yes also in 6+ versions). Any webdev could tell you about the horrors. IE versions have always been DOA compared to what’s possible in competing browsers at the time. Microsoft's fault of not getting people to upgrade is their own doing by not anticipating and adequately reacting to the problem… or frankly just not giving a shit™. Others don’t have these upgrade problems. Also, we can be very thankful that they failed in their ploy to make the whole web IE-specific, but we should not forget and it’s to soon to forgive.
        jacquesm 14y ago
        If microsoft had not shipped a couple of hundred million graphics terminals the web would have never taken off. Arguably windows was one of the key ingredients in the soup that allowed the web to take off (the others: universal access to the net, Peter Tattam's trumpet winsock, the mosaic browser and ncsa httpd).
        iboga 14y ago
        Right, because Microsoft invented it all (OS-tech) and nobody else would have been able to produce a graphical OS in it’s place… there is a difference between actually innovating and making a difference and simply being there because you were able to dominate the market trough shady practices. As I pointed out these things rather happened despite Microsoft than because of it.
        jacquesm 14y ago
        Look, I'm about as anti MS as is possible, on a scale of 0 to 100 I'm stuck near the 100 end and nothing Microsoft or Bill Gates will do can change this. They're beyond redeeming themselves as far as I'm concerned. I routinely return mail to sender because people insist on sending me something that only a proprietary reader or application can open. I'd rather use linux and bloody open-office (or libre office or whatever they decide to call it today) because I very well remember the tricks that Microsoft pulled. And yet, in spite of all that I have no problem with crediting them with those things they actually did. I did not claim Microsoft invented it all, I did not say that nobody else would have been able to produce an alternative, I did not say it was very innovative, nor did I claim they got there in an ethically sound way. But they did what they did and no amount of living in denial is going to undo that.
    - buster 14y ago
      And i curse MS for Office (or the lack of support for truly interoperational file formats).
    - paul9290 14y ago
      wow long thread here and most in regards to coding websites for legacy IE. Well again my angst isn't about legacy IE cause indeed MS has moved forward in this regards & frameworks (i.e. boilerplate) make it easy to code for ie7 on up, but their outlook clients uses a form of MS Word to render html emails. Prior to 2007 they didnt use MS Word and older outlook clients are more simple to deal with in rendering your HTML emails perfectly. Though why in 2007 did they switch to a worse and more complicated rendering technology and then in 2010 stick with the same crap and then the latest 2013 remain sticking with the same crap rendering engine? It's all about money I am sure but in the end it only hurts them, as us techies loathe them and we are the innovators and early adopters.
- recoiledsnake 14y ago
  That's because some posts get flagged by folks who either think it doesn't belong on HN, or that it spam/offtopic/flame and the posts move downwards. However, sometimes people seem to flag posts because they don't want them see by HN readers. I've seen this happen to a lot of links to stories that aren't charitable to Google/Apple or are friendly to Microsoft even if they're legitimate news stories or even just announcements. Edit: HN Rankings shows a huge plunge from #2 to #50 in five minutes http://hnrankings.info/5010891/ http://hnrankings.info/5010891/ Also wanted to mention that lately I've seen even some Apple news and announcements get flagged a lot. I speculate Google/Android fans/employees/shareholders are going a bit overboard. :)
- bmm6o 14y ago
  Given how bad the discussion is in both threads, it kind of seems that the system is working. The info is interesting, but this is not the best of HN.

nthitz 14y ago

Indeed that's the one. Given its current points and submission time I really don't understand the HN sorting algo sometimes.

kenjackson 14y ago
It was likely flagged. Anti-Google stories don't do well on HN. There's a very strong bias against anti-Google stories, but a strong bias for anti-MS stories.
- paul9290 14y ago
  Don't know about you, but as web dev/designer who codes html emails and websites, I curse Microsoft on a daily basis! Thankfully ie6 is no longer and issue and there are many frameworks that making building websites for ie7/8 along with the others a snap. Wish there was something for html emails cause i was just cursing microsoft and wishing they'd hurry up and go extinct.
  - kenjackson 14y ago
    You do realize that IE6 is more than 11 years old. Microsoft wishes everyone used IE10 probably more than you do. Do you curse Apple because of Safari 1? Which is actually newer than IE6? Microsoft's greatest fault here is that they haven't been able to get people to upgrade their OS fast enough. An odd reason to curse them. And an odder reason still to flag their articles and push Google articles. I get that everyone will have some bias, but the amount of bias doesn't seem justified, IMO.
    - iboga 14y ago
      If anything the amount of bias is way to low, MS singlehandedly crippled progress on the web for many many years and would deserve to be burned to the ground by an angry mob of webdevs for it. You can develop in Chrome and it just works in Firefox, Opera, Safari, etc., but without fail things are always broken in IE (yes also in 6+ versions). Any webdev could tell you about the horrors. IE versions have always been DOA compared to what’s possible in competing browsers at the time. Microsoft's fault of not getting people to upgrade is their own doing by not anticipating and adequately reacting to the problem… or frankly just not giving a shit™. Others don’t have these upgrade problems. Also, we can be very thankful that they failed in their ploy to make the whole web IE-specific, but we should not forget and it’s to soon to forgive.
      - jacquesm 14y ago
        If microsoft had not shipped a couple of hundred million graphics terminals the web would have never taken off. Arguably windows was one of the key ingredients in the soup that allowed the web to take off (the others: universal access to the net, Peter Tattam's trumpet winsock, the mosaic browser and ncsa httpd).
        iboga 14y ago
        Right, because Microsoft invented it all (OS-tech) and nobody else would have been able to produce a graphical OS in it’s place… there is a difference between actually innovating and making a difference and simply being there because you were able to dominate the market trough shady practices. As I pointed out these things rather happened despite Microsoft than because of it.
        jacquesm 14y ago
        Look, I'm about as anti MS as is possible, on a scale of 0 to 100 I'm stuck near the 100 end and nothing Microsoft or Bill Gates will do can change this. They're beyond redeeming themselves as far as I'm concerned. I routinely return mail to sender because people insist on sending me something that only a proprietary reader or application can open. I'd rather use linux and bloody open-office (or libre office or whatever they decide to call it today) because I very well remember the tricks that Microsoft pulled. And yet, in spite of all that I have no problem with crediting them with those things they actually did. I did not claim Microsoft invented it all, I did not say that nobody else would have been able to produce an alternative, I did not say it was very innovative, nor did I claim they got there in an ethically sound way. But they did what they did and no amount of living in denial is going to undo that.
  - buster 14y ago
    And i curse MS for Office (or the lack of support for truly interoperational file formats).
  - paul9290 14y ago
    wow long thread here and most in regards to coding websites for legacy IE. Well again my angst isn't about legacy IE cause indeed MS has moved forward in this regards & frameworks (i.e. boilerplate) make it easy to code for ie7 on up, but their outlook clients uses a form of MS Word to render html emails. Prior to 2007 they didnt use MS Word and older outlook clients are more simple to deal with in rendering your HTML emails perfectly. Though why in 2007 did they switch to a worse and more complicated rendering technology and then in 2010 stick with the same crap and then the latest 2013 remain sticking with the same crap rendering engine? It's all about money I am sure but in the end it only hurts them, as us techies loathe them and we are the innovators and early adopters.
recoiledsnake 14y ago
That's because some posts get flagged by folks who either think it doesn't belong on HN, or that it spam/offtopic/flame and the posts move downwards. However, sometimes people seem to flag posts because they don't want them see by HN readers. I've seen this happen to a lot of links to stories that aren't charitable to Google/Apple or are friendly to Microsoft even if they're legitimate news stories or even just announcements. Edit: HN Rankings shows a huge plunge from #2 to #50 in five minutes http://hnrankings.info/5010891/ http://hnrankings.info/5010891/ Also wanted to mention that lately I've seen even some Apple news and announcements get flagged a lot. I speculate Google/Android fans/employees/shareholders are going a bit overboard. :)
bmm6o 14y ago
Given how bad the discussion is in both threads, it kind of seems that the system is working. The info is interesting, but this is not the best of HN.