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PJ, Obama has been in office only 30 some days. Would you expect the new Yahoo CEO to reinvent the company in 30 days? Could you build a solid enterprise level

PJ, Obama has been in office only 30 some days. Would you expect the new Yahoo CEO to reinvent the company in 30 days? Could you build a solid enterprise level application in 30 days? Could you double your current monthly revenue in 30 days? No. No and No. Then how in the world can one person change the lives of 300M people (or maybe 6 billion) over 30 days? Seriously what do you expect? Be patient and work on your startup and try to create jobs from it. The money you will generate will allow your employees to purchase more goods, allowing some local business to sustain, allowing those business owners to pay their employees, allowing those employees to pay for their education and so on....

newt0311 18y ago
But thats the problem. Obama has already changed the lives of the 300M people in this country or at least helped in the process. The stimulus bill that he helped pass has permanently expanded the US federal government. His budget will go even farther in that direction.
- pj 18y ago
  Exactly.
  - ryanwaggoner 18y ago
    With all due respect, what did you really expect from him? He ran on a platform of supporting the bailout and expanding the role and scope of the federal government.
    - pj 18y ago
      I don't remember anything in his platform about supporting a bailout. I don't even remember it being an issue during the campaign and nothing about a bailout is mentioned here: http://www.bostonherald.com/news/national/politics/2008/bios/view.bg?articleid=1063110 http://www.bostonherald.com/news/national/politics/2008/bios... So, what did I expect from him? Change. What has he delivered? More of the status quo, big spending, bad decisions, and an extreme lack of long range vision. Instead, he's solving acute problems by putting the younger generation in even more debt. He has blown the budget deficit from $500B to over a trillion. That's not change, that more of the same.
      - ryanwaggoner 18y ago
        http://news.google.com/archivesearch?ned=us&hl=en&q=obama+bailout&um=1&sugg=d&sa=N&lnav=d1&as_ldate=2008&as_hdate=2008&hdrange=2009%2C2009 http://news.google.com/archivesearch?ned=us&hl=en&q=...
        pj 18y ago
        I stand corrected.
      - lutorm 18y ago
        Even if it's "big spending status quo", actually spending it on making peoples' lives better as opposed to killing them seems like change to me.
pj 18y ago
I actually could build a solid enterprise app in 30 days. Really.
- jwilliams 18y ago
  Can you give an example? Because that runs contrary to all my experience. I've worked in enterprise most of my career and I can honestly say that "Hello World" is a 6 month timeline (i.e. that is the innate overhead in doing almost anything). It would take 30 days to simply meet all the required people and work out what they needed. Let alone build, test and all the other things you need to do (even leaving aside non-core-dev tasks like signoffs, infrastructure, deploy, train, rollout, etc). (In fact, it generally takes a lot longer than that, but for the sake of argument).
  - pj 18y ago
    Well, my startup is a web platform company. As an example, one of our customers was, as you say, getting applications turned around in 6 months start to finish. Within 2 months after buying our product, one person at the company built 3 applications in 2 months by himself. That was a nationwide car insurance company. I'm sure you've seen their commercials on TV. Another example. A major car company in the u.s. had a legacy system built on an old mainframe. This system managed peer reviews for different manufacturing plants. The customer migrated this entire system in one month -- including going through the learning curve. Another example, I myself built a system to help a local small business manage their entire business online /and/ expand their business model to include an additional revenue stream. Total time, start to finish, including requirements gathering, design, and construction: 150 hours. So yes, it does run quite contrary to what most people believe about application development. It's a paradigm shift and it's real.
    - jwilliams 18y ago
      Well I wasn't saying it wasn't feasible - just contrary to all my experience. Also, there is probably the issue that we define what classes as enterprise differently. I'm not sure what you mean when you talk about a paradigm shift though - Are you talking about simply building things quickly? or another shift that is making this possible?

newt0311 18y ago

But thats the problem. Obama has already changed the lives of the 300M people in this country or at least helped in the process. The stimulus bill that he helped pass has permanently expanded the US federal government. His budget will go even farther in that direction.

pj 18y ago
Exactly.
- ryanwaggoner 18y ago
  With all due respect, what did you really expect from him? He ran on a platform of supporting the bailout and expanding the role and scope of the federal government.
  - pj 18y ago
    I don't remember anything in his platform about supporting a bailout. I don't even remember it being an issue during the campaign and nothing about a bailout is mentioned here: http://www.bostonherald.com/news/national/politics/2008/bios/view.bg?articleid=1063110 http://www.bostonherald.com/news/national/politics/2008/bios... So, what did I expect from him? Change. What has he delivered? More of the status quo, big spending, bad decisions, and an extreme lack of long range vision. Instead, he's solving acute problems by putting the younger generation in even more debt. He has blown the budget deficit from $500B to over a trillion. That's not change, that more of the same.
    - ryanwaggoner 18y ago
      http://news.google.com/archivesearch?ned=us&hl=en&q=obama+bailout&um=1&sugg=d&sa=N&lnav=d1&as_ldate=2008&as_hdate=2008&hdrange=2009%2C2009 http://news.google.com/archivesearch?ned=us&hl=en&q=...
      - pj 18y ago
        I stand corrected.
    - lutorm 18y ago
      Even if it's "big spending status quo", actually spending it on making peoples' lives better as opposed to killing them seems like change to me.

pj 18y ago

I actually could build a solid enterprise app in 30 days. Really.

jwilliams 18y ago
Can you give an example? Because that runs contrary to all my experience. I've worked in enterprise most of my career and I can honestly say that "Hello World" is a 6 month timeline (i.e. that is the innate overhead in doing almost anything). It would take 30 days to simply meet all the required people and work out what they needed. Let alone build, test and all the other things you need to do (even leaving aside non-core-dev tasks like signoffs, infrastructure, deploy, train, rollout, etc). (In fact, it generally takes a lot longer than that, but for the sake of argument).
- pj 18y ago
  Well, my startup is a web platform company. As an example, one of our customers was, as you say, getting applications turned around in 6 months start to finish. Within 2 months after buying our product, one person at the company built 3 applications in 2 months by himself. That was a nationwide car insurance company. I'm sure you've seen their commercials on TV. Another example. A major car company in the u.s. had a legacy system built on an old mainframe. This system managed peer reviews for different manufacturing plants. The customer migrated this entire system in one month -- including going through the learning curve. Another example, I myself built a system to help a local small business manage their entire business online /and/ expand their business model to include an additional revenue stream. Total time, start to finish, including requirements gathering, design, and construction: 150 hours. So yes, it does run quite contrary to what most people believe about application development. It's a paradigm shift and it's real.
  - jwilliams 18y ago
    Well I wasn't saying it wasn't feasible - just contrary to all my experience. Also, there is probably the issue that we define what classes as enterprise differently. I'm not sure what you mean when you talk about a paradigm shift though - Are you talking about simply building things quickly? or another shift that is making this possible?