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Just because you never heard of him doesn't mean the kings in Africa who banned GMOs have not.

droithomme 14y ago
What evidence is there that they have? This person is not the cult leader he claims to be. These kings in Africa you mention generically with no specifics, perhaps they read journals? Even if it is established these scores of kings each met with this fellow personally, went elephant or cheetah hunting together and had some laughs, it indicates little about the motivations of these supposed and possibly fictional kings in passing their dictates, edicts and proclamations. Vazquez et al. Intragastric and Intraperitoneal Administration of Cry1Ac protoxin from Bacillus thuringiensis induces systemic and mucosal antibody responses in mice. Life Sci. 64, no. 21 (1999): 1897–1912. Vazquez et al. Characterization of the mucosal and systemic immune response induced by Cry1Ac protein from Bacillus thuringiensis HD 73 in mice. Brazilian J. of Med. and Biol. Research 33 (2000): 147–155. Vazquez et al. Bacillus thuringiensis Cry1Ac protoxin is a potent systemic and mucosal adjuvant. Scandanavian J. of Immunology 49 (1999): 578–584. Burns, J.M. 13-week dietary subchronic comparison study with MON 863 corn in rats preceded by a 1-week baseline food consumption determination with PMI certified rodent diet #5002. (Monsanto Co. report, Dec 17, 2002). Assessment of additional scientific information concerning StarLink corn (FIFRA scientific advisory panel report, No. 2001–09, Jul 2001). Seralini, G., Cellier, D., & Spiroux de Vendomois, J. New analysis of a rat feeding study with a genetically modified maize reveals signs of hepatorenal toxicity. J. archives of Env. Contam. and Toxicology (Springer, New York). Malatesta, M. et al. Ultrastructural morphometrical and immunocytochemical analyses of hepatocyte nuclei from mice fed on genetically modified soybean. Cell Struct. Funct. 27 (2002): 173–180. Vecchio, L. et al. Ultrastructural analysis of testes from mice fed on genetically modified soybean. Eur. J. of Histochem. 48, no. 4 (Oct–Dec 2004):449–454. Oliveri et al. Temporary depression of transcription in mouse pre-implantion embryos from mice fed on genetically modified soybean. (48th Symposium of the Society for Histochemistry, Lake Maggiore, Italy, Sept 7–10, 2006). Ermakova, I. Genetically modified soy leads to the decrease of weight and high mortality of rat pups of the first generation. Preliminary studies. Ecosinform 1 (2006): 4–9.
- dizzystar 14y ago
  Are you saying that the pressures from people like this aren't causing California counties to ban GMOs? I think it's a great thing that someone who has been focusing on this stuff for 16 years is finally coming to terms with the consequences of his writings and actions. The fact that one person turned around is a good sign, IMO. Yes, much ink has been spilled about the dangers of GM soy and soy in general. The issue that the article suggests is that people not only form opinions on food based off of no evidence, but even go so far as to expound their influence in matters that are not trivial. It's easy for Americans to pass up food, but a kid who is starving in Africa and eating Cow dung isn't given this option, and starving these children based on belief and no science is just morally wrong. I'm looking up some of those articles as well. The one point of interest, for those who are only looking at the titles and seeing "danger," this is from the abstract from Burns, J.M.: The results of the 13-week subchronic feeding study show that rats fed diets containing corn event MON 863 grain responded similarly to rats fed diets containing the nontransgenic control LH82 x A634 grain and diets containing grain from reference control nontransgenic commercial corn varieties. There were no test article-related changes based on the evaluation of survival, clinical signs, body weights, body weight changes, food consumption, clinical pathology, organ weights, and macroscopic and microscopic pathology. So, thank you for showing some balance in your suggested readings. This stuff is really complicated and I hope people like you lead the charge in the future of all of the world's food choices. Unfortunately, I don't think this will happen and we'll be fed BS by make-believers and lawyers.

What evidence is there that they have? This person is not the cult leader he claims to be. These kings in Africa you mention generically with no specifics, perhaps they read journals? Even if it is established these scores of kings each met with this fellow personally, went elephant or cheetah hunting together and had some laughs, it indicates little about the motivations of these supposed and possibly fictional kings in passing their dictates, edicts and proclamations. Vazquez et al. Intragastric and Intraperitoneal Administration of Cry1Ac protoxin from Bacillus thuringiensis induces systemic and mucosal antibody responses in mice. Life Sci. 64, no. 21 (1999): 1897–1912. Vazquez et al. Characterization of the mucosal and systemic immune response induced by Cry1Ac protein from Bacillus thuringiensis HD 73 in mice. Brazilian J. of Med. and Biol. Research 33 (2000): 147–155. Vazquez et al. Bacillus thuringiensis Cry1Ac protoxin is a potent systemic and mucosal adjuvant. Scandanavian J. of Immunology 49 (1999): 578–584. Burns, J.M. 13-week dietary subchronic comparison study with MON 863 corn in rats preceded by a 1-week baseline food consumption determination with PMI certified rodent diet #5002. (Monsanto Co. report, Dec 17, 2002). Assessment of additional scientific information concerning StarLink corn (FIFRA scientific advisory panel report, No. 2001–09, Jul 2001). Seralini, G., Cellier, D., & Spiroux de Vendomois, J. New analysis of a rat feeding study with a genetically modified maize reveals signs of hepatorenal toxicity. J. archives of Env. Contam. and Toxicology (Springer, New York). Malatesta, M. et al. Ultrastructural morphometrical and immunocytochemical analyses of hepatocyte nuclei from mice fed on genetically modified soybean. Cell Struct. Funct. 27 (2002): 173–180. Vecchio, L. et al. Ultrastructural analysis of testes from mice fed on genetically modified soybean. Eur. J. of Histochem. 48, no. 4 (Oct–Dec 2004):449–454. Oliveri et al. Temporary depression of transcription in mouse pre-implantion embryos from mice fed on genetically modified soybean. (48th Symposium of the Society for Histochemistry, Lake Maggiore, Italy, Sept 7–10, 2006). Ermakova, I. Genetically modified soy leads to the decrease of weight and high mortality of rat pups of the first generation. Preliminary studies. Ecosinform 1 (2006): 4–9.

dizzystar 14y ago
Are you saying that the pressures from people like this aren't causing California counties to ban GMOs? I think it's a great thing that someone who has been focusing on this stuff for 16 years is finally coming to terms with the consequences of his writings and actions. The fact that one person turned around is a good sign, IMO. Yes, much ink has been spilled about the dangers of GM soy and soy in general. The issue that the article suggests is that people not only form opinions on food based off of no evidence, but even go so far as to expound their influence in matters that are not trivial. It's easy for Americans to pass up food, but a kid who is starving in Africa and eating Cow dung isn't given this option, and starving these children based on belief and no science is just morally wrong. I'm looking up some of those articles as well. The one point of interest, for those who are only looking at the titles and seeing "danger," this is from the abstract from Burns, J.M.: The results of the 13-week subchronic feeding study show that rats fed diets containing corn event MON 863 grain responded similarly to rats fed diets containing the nontransgenic control LH82 x A634 grain and diets containing grain from reference control nontransgenic commercial corn varieties. There were no test article-related changes based on the evaluation of survival, clinical signs, body weights, body weight changes, food consumption, clinical pathology, organ weights, and macroscopic and microscopic pathology. So, thank you for showing some balance in your suggested readings. This stuff is really complicated and I hope people like you lead the charge in the future of all of the world's food choices. Unfortunately, I don't think this will happen and we'll be fed BS by make-believers and lawyers.